Airlines In The Philippines II

[Arianespace]

Simple. EAL is owned by Government. PAL is 99% privately owned. Government owns just 1% of it. THA, SIA, and MAS are also now owned back by their respective governments thanks to Covid. That is why you see plenty of aircraft orders.

PAL could have been but Its former President Sonny Dominguez who was Finance Secretary said "NO". I would "give you loans to help you recover". That was what Duterte government did.

PAL bailout is private funds coming mostly from BDO. Lucio Tan ownership shrunk to 76.9%, ANA 9.5%. Equity Investors owns 12.6%. The last one is important as they are the aircraft lessors and banks. They also have VETO on aircraft acquisitions. These shares is what PAL is trying to sell to third parties. To remove the proverbial albatross on its neck relating to corporate matters.

[N751PR]

Now that's good to know there was some interest in still doing some NRT-Asia flying with UA back then as 2017 marked the end of the UA intra-Asia scissor hub and instead handing over the connecting pax to JV partner NH. Did they mention the aircraft that they intended to use in the filing?

[Arianespace]

Same as GUM. They have this planned long time ago.

[N751PR]

Thanks, glad to see the Guam-based 737s getting more utilization love after losing some GUM-Japan destinations and the intra-Asia rotation attempts.

[Arianespace]

They were supposed to fly triangular GUM-NRT-MNL

[JNC03]

SGI Aviation has concluded the delivery of one ex-Garuda Indonesia Boeing 777-300ER on behalf of her American client to Philippine Airlines on a long term lease.

The company was appointed as exclusive remarketing agent in respect of the remarketing for the Boeing 777-300ER bearing MSN 29146. It will be registered and fly under her new registration RP-C7783.

This was the first aircraft delivered to PAL by SGI on behalf of our American client, it will be followed by her sistership MSN 29147 in the near future, both sisterships will be added to our managed portfolio.


https://newsroom.aviator.aero/sgi-aviation-arranges-the-lease-of-one-boeing-777-300er-to-philippine-airlines-pal/

[seven13]

So it will be a pair of 77W from GA? I thought it was only 1, replacing 7776. If it’s true then that’s good news.

[Arianespace]

Arianespace wrote

JNC03 wrote

RP-C7776 will be returned to the lessor in the next few months

Actually, two of the Boeings are due to return to their lessors this year. Not actually additions but temporary replacements.

They are RP-C7776 (msn 37712), let from AerCap, and RP-7777 (msn 37709), let from Castlelake. These are sale-leaseback transactions which has been extended by 3 more years. Had it not for numerous defective amenities previously complained here it would still be flying for them. Sadly, keeping them draws ire to its customers, particularly some J passengers with non-reclinable seats and non working IFEs. Thanks but no thanks to its cargo flights. It did save the company from total collapse.

As was stated earlier last year, there were two, not one.

[Darkknight85]

Arianespace wrote

Arianespace wrote

JNC03 wrote

RP-C7776 will be returned to the lessor in the next few months

Actually, two of the Boeings are due to return to their lessors this year. Not actually additions but temporary replacements.

They are RP-C7776 (msn 37712), let from AerCap, and RP-7777 (msn 37709), let from Castlelake. These are sale-leaseback transactions which has been extended by 3 more years. Had it not for numerous defective amenities previously complained here it would still be flying for them. Sadly, keeping them draws ire to its customers, particularly some J passengers with non-reclinable seats and non working IFEs. Thanks but no thanks to its cargo flights. It did save the company from total collapse.

As was stated earlier last year, there were two, not one.

These are the 36Ns right?

[JNC03]

7783 to undergo cabin recon at VCV

[Arianespace]

Darkknight85 wrote

These are the 36Ns right?

Yes. They are. The original GECAS planes.

These are the new 77w planes to be delivered to PAL. Both are now owned by Altavair Finance based in Seattle, Washington,  on long term lease contracts ending 2030. The re-marketing agent is SGI Aviation. They will still be sporting the U3 codes.

MSN 29146,2013, PK-GID to RP-C7783, GE GE90-115B, c26y367, 2017
MSN 29147,2013, PK-GIE to RP-C7784, GE GE90-115B, c26y367, 2017

So if you take a closer look on delivery schedule, by the time the lease contract is about to end, the last of the 35k orders is delivered. Therefore, one-on-one replacements.  

[Evodesire]

Is PAL retaining the same types of seats originally used by PK-GID and PK-GIE sans first class?

[seven13]

No F, GA already removed the F on both registries around 2017?

[JNC03]

[romantic_guy08]

Arianespace wrote

JNC03 wrote

RP-C7776 will be returned to the lessor in the next few months

Actually, two of the Boeings are due to return to their lessors this year. Not actually additions but temporary replacements.

They are RP-C7776 (msn 37712), let from AerCap, and RP-7777 (msn 37709), let from Castlelake. These are sale-leaseback transactions which has been extended by 3 more years. Had it not for numerous defective amenities previously complained here it would still be flying for them. Sadly, keeping them draws ire to its customers, particularly some J passengers with non-reclinable seats and non working IFEs. Thanks but no thanks to its cargo flights. It did save the company from total collapse.

Meanwhile, CEB has finally caught up with Rolls Royce engine deployment delays. Same complaint by UAE, about the A35k. Its engines. Two A339s are supposed to fly to Saudi Arabia but they are postponed until next year. Not that they weren't announced before, but just stating the obvious.

Wouldn't it be useful to PAL to extend the lease of these two frames for a few more years to serve AU and intra-asia routes? As it is, I think they have a shortage of medium-haul aircraft... we can see from time-to-time AU flights using the high density A333s originally assigned to the ME. Leads to a lot of complaints from pax to AU... those 2 frames can even at their current state, for me is a step up to the ME A333s used to AU.

[Solblanc]

romantic_guy08 wrote

Arianespace wrote

JNC03 wrote

RP-C7776 will be returned to the lessor in the next few months

Actually, two of the Boeings are due to return to their lessors this year. Not actually additions but temporary replacements.

They are RP-C7776 (msn 37712), let from AerCap, and RP-7777 (msn 37709), let from Castlelake. These are sale-leaseback transactions which has been extended by 3 more years. Had it not for numerous defective amenities previously complained here it would still be flying for them. Sadly, keeping them draws ire to its customers, particularly some J passengers with non-reclinable seats and non working IFEs. Thanks but no thanks to its cargo flights. It did save the company from total collapse.

Meanwhile, CEB has finally caught up with Rolls Royce engine deployment delays. Same complaint by UAE, about the A35k. Its engines. Two A339s are supposed to fly to Saudi Arabia but they are postponed until next year. Not that they weren't announced before, but just stating the obvious.

Wouldn't it be useful to PAL to extend the lease of these two frames for a few more years to serve AU and intra-asia routes? As it is, I think they have a shortage of medium-haul aircraft... we can see from time-to-time AU flights using the high density A333s originally assigned to the ME. Leads to a lot of complaints from pax to AU... those 2 frames can even at their current state, for me is a step up to the ME A333s used to AU.

It’s funny coz PAL flights to SYD and MEL are restricted in the bilateral based on the number of seats. But PAL has been sending the high-density A333s to MEL, and they’ve been fully booked. There’s no way that PAL is hewing to the bilateral with all the extra capacity that they’re selling. Does anyone have the numbers on whether it evens out to the low season?

[romantic_guy08]

Solblanc wrote

romantic_guy08 wrote

Arianespace wrote

JNC03 wrote

RP-C7776 will be returned to the lessor in the next few months

Actually, two of the Boeings are due to return to their lessors this year. Not actually additions but temporary replacements.

They are RP-C7776 (msn 37712), let from AerCap, and RP-7777 (msn 37709), let from Castlelake. These are sale-leaseback transactions which has been extended by 3 more years. Had it not for numerous defective amenities previously complained here it would still be flying for them. Sadly, keeping them draws ire to its customers, particularly some J passengers with non-reclinable seats and non working IFEs. Thanks but no thanks to its cargo flights. It did save the company from total collapse.

Meanwhile, CEB has finally caught up with Rolls Royce engine deployment delays. Same complaint by UAE, about the A35k. Its engines. Two A339s are supposed to fly to Saudi Arabia but they are postponed until next year. Not that they weren't announced before, but just stating the obvious.

Wouldn't it be useful to PAL to extend the lease of these two frames for a few more years to serve AU and intra-asia routes? As it is, I think they have a shortage of medium-haul aircraft... we can see from time-to-time AU flights using the high density A333s originally assigned to the ME. Leads to a lot of complaints from pax to AU... those 2 frames can even at their current state, for me is a step up to the ME A333s used to AU.

It’s funny coz PAL flights to SYD and MEL are restricted in the bilateral based on the number of seats. But PAL has been sending the high-density A333s to MEL, and they’ve been fully booked. There’s no way that PAL is hewing to the bilateral with all the extra capacity that they’re selling. Does anyone have the numbers on whether it evens out to the low season?

Not only MEL... but SYD most of the time the past few months...8771 is the go to high density plane to SYD...

[N751PR]

Yup, there's only two GA 77Ws left with F.

[romantic_guy08]

More one-stop competition for PAL to LAX and SFO...

This time from Starlux from CRK...

[seven13]

It’s C7776’s last revenue flight today from PR113.