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Re: PAL

JNC03
SG Airshow will start tomorrow (trade days)

What we can expect? Time will tell
Both PAL and 5J are present in the event


This is also the first airshow where Comac C919 is present
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PAL

seven13
RP-C8764 was flew to KUL as PR6764. Would anybody know what kind of flight is this? PR5XXX would be a rescheduled flight (PR5102/5104/5432/5408)? Is this a maintenance flight?

PR is down to 2 NEOs flying (9936 and 9937) plus 4 ceos grounded. It has been using its A333 on some regional routes for the past week like TPE and SGN. BNE has been getting the A333 and a B777 was dispatched to PER few days ago. SYD and HKG (PR318 and PR306) has been flown with B777 too. Of course, since quite a number of aircraft are on maintenance, some flights experienced severe delay and some were rescheduled/canceled.

I wonder if PR is shifting to capture transit passengers rather than purely Filipino o/d traffic. Over the past CNY, it has upgraded some routes from A321 to A330 like DPS, TPE, BKK (PR736/PR732) and SIN (PR509).
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Re: PAL

N751PR
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Ditto first time post but long-time reader!

Looks like this one was formerly PK-GID, a C26Y367 bird. It was originally delivered w/ F but was refitted to the current config in 2017 and served the rest of her time with GA in the higher density layout.
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Re: PAL

PAL 747
Thanks for the registration number N751PR!

Are the 4 neos down due to the lack of spare parts?

As for transit...PAL's been like that since the 1960s. If you look at old timetables, the flights were timed to connect with the following:

-Europe/Hong Kong to Australia and vice versa.
-US to Hong Kong/Taiwan/China/Singapore and vice versa.

https://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/pr80.htm

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Re: PAL

JNC03
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Re: PAL

Evodesire
Wonder why it's taking PAL quite a long time to announce aircraft orders. Sure those A350-1000s are good to go, but they need more than that. More and more airlines are putting orders for the 787. Thai just closed 45 787s. Royal Brunei ordered 4.

Do you think they will surprise us this Singapore Air Show?
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Re: PAL

JNC03
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Notable people present in the airshow

PAL Holdings Inc. President Lucio Tan III
PAL Holdings Inc. Director Sheila Tan Pascual
DOTr Sec. Jaime Bautista
DOTr Usec. Roberto Lim
JG Summit President Lance Gokongwei
Aviation consultant Junard Cruz
CAAP Director General Capt. Manuel 'Skee' Tamayo
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Re: PAL

Evodesire
Is JJB already in good terms with the Tans?
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Re: PAL

xzibit31
Is this a new config for PR?  

First time I see this on biz.  Its been a long time since i flew biz on PR. They are my last choice when flying International. 🤣🤣🤣

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Re: PAL

seven13
xzibit31 wrote
Is this a new config for PR?  

First time I see this on biz.  Its been a long time since i flew biz on PR. They are my last choice when flying International. 🤣🤣🤣
Nope, those are mattress toppers, still the old 2-3-2
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Re: PAL

xzibit31
okay. thanks!

looks very tacky...
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Re: PAL

Arianespace
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Evodesire wrote
Is JJB already in good terms with the Tans?
They were never in bad terms. JJB retired. That's all there is to it.
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Re: PAL

JNC03
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CEB Plane Order Update
(from Szucs Interview with Bloomberg)

on total amount of aircraft to be ordered- 100 firm Orders, 50 Optional

"Discussions still on going, we are halfway through the process." estimate between May-June ang announcement

CEB is at SG Airshow 2024 to talk with Airbus, Boeing, and the Engine Manufacturers

CEB on Boeing Reputation: Boeing Assures that their quality issues will be sorted. "by 2027, Boeing may have sorted this issues"

CEB anticipates that issues with Boeing with their 737 MAX, PW Engine Issues, CFM Engine Issues, and Airbus Late Delivery Issues will be sorted before they will receive their new aircraft

CEB: the PW issues will persist for the next 3 years where it will it hard this year. from 10 AOC to 15-16 AOC this year.

CEB: "We met with PW yesterday, we are starting to see some signs that things have turned the corner. I am bit more optimistic now that our growth will be into the double digits maybe 10-12% this year"

CEO leases will last for 3-4 years

CEB to pause aircraft leasing, to focus more on Airbus and PW committing to their commitments
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Re: PAL

Evodesire
I wonder what's taking PAL too long. AFAIK, the A35Ks will be 77W replacements, and not additional aircraft. Granting that the LH A359s will return to the fleet, that would give them an additional widebody aircraft, but I feel its still not enough especially if they want to fly to Europe and establish flights from their CEB hub. Other APAC airlines foresee the huge travel trajectory in SEA region reason why many are putting in massive aircraft orders.
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Re: PAL

Arianespace
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JNC03 wrote
That engine orders is actually for 15 aircraft that will be on ground soon due to P&W repairs. I seriously doubt however if that is an order. I would suspect it to compensation from P&W, in exchange for the 100s

JNC03 wrote
CEB Plane Order Update
(from Szucs Interview with Bloomberg)


CEB: the PW issues will persist for the next 3 years where it will it hard this year. from 10 AOC to 15-16 AOC this year.

Making Sense
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Re: Aero Bleu

JNC03
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Clark-based cargo airline startup Aero Bleu Airways leased two Airbus A321P2F. The agreement is signed during the Singapore Airshow with ST Engineering. This will be the first A321P2F operator in the Philippines.

Deliveries of the aircraft will take place this year which will enable more sustainable air cargo operations with lower carbon emissions and enhanced cargo connectivity regionally for Aero Bleu Airways.
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ex-PAL A350

seven13
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Lufthansa proceeded with the cabin reconfiguration of ex-PR A350 (D-AIVA to D-AIVD). It’s currently at J30W26Y262. LH removed the lav at door L2 to place 2 seats. Removed 1-2 lav to increase ECY seats a little bit.
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Re: ex-PAL A350

Evodesire
Wasn't this the supposed configuration PAL wanted for their A359s?
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Re: Aero Bleu

Arianespace
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Speaking about this devil might not be palatable. As pointed out on this article, they really don't have an AOC, as confirmed to me by CAAP.

Congressman Fernandez personally participated in all the negotiations, showing his involvement and "advancement". After the broker had found a B757F for them, owned by the Georgian operator GEO SKY (which is important to know for further understanding of the situation), things went uphill for our heroes. The aircraft flew to Hong Kong several times.

For obvious reasons, there was no end of clients. Moreover, the broker who had leased the aircraft to the Filipinos additionally took upon himself the provision of fuel, order of handling services and obtaining permits for the aircraft. On credit…

The problems began when AERO BLEU AIRWAYS wanted to fly on the routes Singapore - Philippines and Japan - Philippines. The Philippine and Japanese authorities did not give permission for these flights. This is where the commercial fervor of our heroes from AERO BLEU AIRWAYS quickly faded. They not only stopped paying for the lease of the aircraft, but also did not pay for the fuel, handling services and permits for already completed flights to Hong Kong that were provided on credit. As a result, the debt for leasing of the aircraft and provided services has reached $751,536.

As the top manager of the AERO BLEU AIRWAYS company, Jesse E. Santos, subsequently wrote in his explanation to the administration of the BLACKLIST.AERO Registry, verbatim: “They bring an aircraft to us without anywhere to go. It doesn’t have any permit or approval.”
. . .

Although any specialist will immediately remember that Singapore and Japan comply with the Principle of the fifth freedom. And that an aircraft with Georgian registration, which is in the registry of a Georgian airline, can fly from Singapore or Japan only to Georgia! And in order for it to fly from there to the Philippines, it needs to be registered with a Philippine operator! 

And AERO BLEU AIRWAYS doesn't have its own AOC, despite the pretentious prefix AIRWAYS. And they didn’t plan to do such “cumbersome” procedures. For what?! It’s enough to register the company “Horns and Hooves AIRWAYS” and millions are already in our pocket!

The most interesting thing is that before the described case, AERO BLEU AIRWAYS already had a similar experience with a B747 of an American operator SKY LEASE CARGO leased through a broker who become one more victim. According to our information, this broker company now intends to sue AERO BLEU AIRWAYS demanding compensation of more than $3M. So, for Congressman Fernandez the fun is just beginning...
https://blacklist.aero/news/654cc1f1b7b12fe545212494
This is the most stupidest answer made by an airline I encountered in my life.

As an airline operator, it is your duty to apply permit to CAAP authorizing you to fly. It's like the business permit for airlines. And If you want to fly then you must have of all things, an airplane. Its like Certificate of Registration of your vehicle from the LTO. Yeah right, licensing. They have none since they never bother to register the plane (gov't regulations. Remember I told you about the reason why no "F", "N", or "EI" registries for PAL). So no license.

Up to this date, that aircraft (4L-GEG, B757-200F) is still registered with the Civil Aircraft Register of the Georgian Civil Aviation Agency. So the story of that post is true, as they are let from AFG Aviation Ireland Limited, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Aircraft Finance Germany GmbH (Germany) sometime September 2022.

Rest of that story is here

Since granting an AOC makes you a domestic operator, you need to secure permit again from CAB to fly to Singapore or Japan as cargo operator because there is a separate regulations for that. Heard the "Air Services Agreement?" Yes. That thing. They are loosely called "franchise" that you see in Jeepneys and buses, or lets just say LOAs for PAL or CEB authorizing you to fly the route. In short, permit. This airline has neither both.

And the law does not care whether you are Senator or Congressman. Sen. Gatchalian family once owned GAP and they followed the same law. Why does this lawmaker from Bulacan thinks differently?

And yet, all smiles at the picture above.
Making Sense
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Re: PAL

JNC03
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Lucio Tan has revived plans to sell a significant stake in Philippine Airlines (PAL) to a strategic investor who could help the flag carrier soar to even greater heights, industry sources said.

The STAR learned that PAL’s management recently formed a team to “receive some offers,” which could come from foreign carriers to help the company better navigate the global aviation industry after the COVID-19 pandemic.

“The process (of the sale) has started and there is a team handling that,” a source confirmed.

However, the Tan family “is not relinquishing control” and the size of the stake it is willing to give up depends on the offer it would get, said the source

Instead, the Tan family is willing to sell a 20 to 25 percent stake in the airline, which would be a “minority but significant stake” and attractive enough for a new investor to come in at this time.

However, nothing is final yet at this time and plans are at a “very early stage.”

A source said the sale would likely be at the PAL Holdings level


https://qa.philstar.com/business/2024/02/28/2336596/pal-revives-stake-sale-investors/amp/


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