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seven13
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PR to fly to Seattle.

October 2 onwards.

3x per week

Nonstop.
With what plane though? The 77Ws are busy enough with their current schedule, and 370 pax is overkill if one wants to grow a 3x/weekly route.
There is another 77w coming online in October, possibly 7785. Papers are being processed at CAA. It could not be 84 because its already done. This could be the expansion plane that is also earmarked for east coast supplement. Just like what Stan said:

77 expires in July to be replace by 84, and another 77w plane (85) is coming by October I think from Macquire. Don't know if it is also ex-Garuda.
They mentioned during the 1Q townhall that PR is set to grow seat capacity by 10% so adding an eleventh 777 makes sense.

I’m skeptical about the CEOs reconfiguration though but I hope it’s true
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That's good news. PAL was supposed to launch Seattle/Tacoma back in 2020 before United raised a hissy fit.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/philippine-airlines-united-complaint-seattle-flights/

Not to nit-pick, but the plane for PR 116 (Vancouver) is on the ground for more than 5 hours before flying back to Manila. Couldn't they use 3 out of the 7 flights to continue to Vancouver even without YVR-SEA traffic rights? It's just a waste for the plane to be in the ground for that long.
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Because they don't have a gate at T1 for a 3-4am arrival. They replaces BR 77w when it leaves for TPE at 530am. Witnessed it twice while waiting for my flight.
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PAL President and Chief Operating Officer Capt. Stanley K. Ng noted that the pandemic issues are still being experienced by the airline, particularly problems pertaining to the supply chain.

A major hurdle is the continuing Pratt and Whitney (P&W) maintenance operations that have previously grounded eight of PAL's planes. Now, they still have five grounded A321neos.

This has prompted the airline to reduce frequencies of flights, which "sacrificed a lot of revenues," said Ng.

"That's the main one, the P&W. Last year, it's supposedly better now. However, they found another issue with the powdered metal. Now they're just trying to be safe. They have to do the inspection of the engines more frequently. That's why our hangars are full," he remarked.

"It's hard to grow when you have those issues. Since last year, we tried to really have a spare for every type of aircraft to make sure we can maintain our schedule reliability. It's costly, however, with the passengers in mind, we have to be reliable and on-time," Ng added.

He also expressed the airline's interest in exploring new route options, but stressed that they are focused on beefing up their fleet first.

"We will have to wait for our new airplanes to come in before launching [new routes], because we also want to make sure that we can serve our passengers with reliability. We don't want to add a lot of destinations too soon," Ng said.


https://mb.com.ph/2024/4/2/pal-expects-22-new-aircraft-in-next-five-years#google_vignette
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Philippine Airlines is looking to acquire three more Airbus A350-1000 wide-body jets, driven by a post-pandemic growth in the aviation sector, its president said on Tuesday.

The current market condition is encouraging for Philippine Airlines to get another three aircraft, and the company will decide later this year, Philippine Airlines President Stanley Ng told a press conference. The airline acquired nine of the same aircraft in June 2023.


Looks like PAL will have another round of orders again later this year🤔

https://interaksyon.philstar.com/trends-spotlights/2024/04/02/273089/philippine-airlines-looking-to-buy-three-more-airbus-wide-body-jets/
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7781 replacement?

If that is the case PAL will bring back the original quantity of 77Ws they have for a short time before the old ones return to its lessor.
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Different media outlets mentioned A321ceo reconfiguration and they will be in service next year

This move is a sign that PAL is not yet confident on A321neos with the ongoing PW issues
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seven13
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Different media outlets mentioned A321ceo reconfiguration and they will be in service next year

This move is a sign that PAL is not yet confident on A321neos with the ongoing PW issues
It’s a welcome announcement if indeed PR would refurbished its CEOs I don’t think they can afford to pull out even just one frame with their current schedule. It will create chaos (retiming of NRT and KIX to early morning instead of the overnight flight), cancellation of some flights and then merging it with a second flight (HKG and SIN). Unless PR will be able to bring in an extra WB ac before they start refurbishing the ceos. Plus Aussie is getting an inconsistent product with the biclass frequently being sent down under.

Can’t PR just least 2Ps ceos and have 2P lease another ac that suits their operation costs? I remember Stan saying PR is unable to lease any ac available in the market due to it does not fit their operational cost?
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Philippine Airlines is looking to acquire three more Airbus A350-1000 wide-body jets, driven by a post-pandemic growth in the aviation sector, its president said on Tuesday.

Looks like PAL will have another round of orders again later this year🤔

https://interaksyon.philstar.com/trends-spotlights/2024/04/02/273089/philippine-airlines-looking-to-buy-three-more-airbus-wide-body-jets/
Incidentally, there is more to this announcement. Something more that delights everyone.
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It’s a welcome announcement if indeed PR would refurbished its CEOs I don’t think they can afford to pull out even just one frame with their current schedule. It will create chaos (retiming of NRT and KIX to early morning instead of the overnight flight), cancellation of some flights and then merging it with a second flight (HKG and SIN). Unless PR will be able to bring in an extra WB ac before they start refurbishing the ceos. Plus Aussie is getting an inconsistent product with the biclass frequently being sent down under.

Can’t PR just least 2Ps ceos and have 2P lease another ac that suits their operation costs? I remember Stan saying PR is unable to lease any ac available in the market due to it does not fit their operational cost?
They really have no choice, don't they? High density 321Ceo were meant to be 2Ps but ended up operating it regionally because they deferred the 7 neos that would have the standard of the nx and the troubles of the p&w's. Even if they have the fleet now it would still have the same engine problem. Solution, stick to the ceo. That's what they did.
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just like how 5J sticks to CEO leases right now
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JNC03
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After all the things they mentioned yesterday, they didn't have plans for A320 and A330

Those are due for replacement
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You think? From what I've heard they are bigger than what CEB announced.
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Arianespace wrote
JNC03 wrote
Philippine Airlines is looking to acquire three more Airbus A350-1000 wide-body jets, driven by a post-pandemic growth in the aviation sector, its president said on Tuesday.

Looks like PAL will have another round of orders again later this year🤔

https://interaksyon.philstar.com/trends-spotlights/2024/04/02/273089/philippine-airlines-looking-to-buy-three-more-airbus-wide-body-jets/
Incidentally, there is more to this announcement. Something more that delights everyone.

What would delight everyone is a 787-10 order to phase out the bi-class 330s.

What would be nice is an A330neo with 8ab to replace those 330s.

What would be okay is a regional 10-abreast a359 like what Indigo seems to be considering.

What would be horrifying is doubling down on 9ab on the a330neo. But they can make it slightly more bearable with IFE.


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Bigger than 100-150 order?

More widebodies and narrows for the future

About its funding, PAL might have an investor this year to help them with that kind of aircraft order
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$4.5B was already earmarked by PAL for the long haulers
$4.5B is budgeted for the medium haulers
$4.5B allocation for narrow bodies
$13.5B total. More than CEB impending orders

As to what the two others are, lets wait and see. As to seats, sorry I have no clue.
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seven13 wrote
It’s a welcome announcement if indeed PR would refurbished its CEOs I don’t think they can afford to pull out even just one frame with their current schedule. It will create chaos (retiming of NRT and KIX to early morning instead of the overnight flight), cancellation of some flights and then merging it with a second flight (HKG and SIN). Unless PR will be able to bring in an extra WB ac before they start refurbishing the ceos. Plus Aussie is getting an inconsistent product with the biclass frequently being sent down under.

Can’t PR just least 2Ps ceos and have 2P lease another ac that suits their operation costs? I remember Stan saying PR is unable to lease any ac available in the market due to it does not fit their operational cost?
They really have no choice, don't they? High density 321Ceo were meant to be 2Ps but ended up operating it regionally because they deferred the 7 neos that would have the standard of the nx and the troubles of the p&w's. Even if they have the fleet now it would still have the same engine problem. Solution, stick to the ceo. That's what they did.
yes, I have to agree that PR doesn’t have any choice but to stick with the ceos for the seeable future until P&W resolves its engine issues. Delaying the EIS of the neos is also a blessing in disguise. But I can’t imagine its schedule integrity once they start pulling out the ceos for refurbishment. When one frame goes tech, it affects several flights (planned delays).
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About its funding, PAL might have an investor this year to help them with that kind of aircraft order
They do have aircraft lessors that holds 10% of its equity. They are still there. Remnants of its rehab plan. I heard Lessors are quite pleased with PR achievements this year. Few notices that angle. Some write-offs turns out very productive indeed. Bato na, naging pera pa.
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JNC03
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PAL might plan to refurb them on Q3 where demand is not too much, timely before the holiday season
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Lessors will have more confidence to lease aircraft again to PAL, now in bigger quantity
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