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AnonBoy
romantic_guy08 wrote


oh my 10 abreast on an a350
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XWB_flyer
You know what I'm not gonna bother, since we have been discussing it on eariler pages.

But anyways are we going to see any further announcements like lessor announcements for 9 A320neo for PAL Express?
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JNC03
The 10 abreast economy class is the product of airbus modification by trimming the sidewalls for extra space. The trimming of the sidewalls will result in more space and increased MTOW

PAL can put 17 inch wide economy class seats in 3-4-3 configuration. It can result in more profit per flight which PAL needs. Aside from that cheaper fares

The wider space will be beneficial to premium economy and business class, PAL can revamp their offerings due to more space. They can add privacy doors in biz class.

Iberia benefitted from this extra space by having refreshed business class and premium economy offerings.
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Solblanc

In theory, 10-abreast on the a350 with the sculpted sidewalls will be practically the same pal’s existing product on the 777s.

Except for people in the window seats. They won’t have as much leg room because of how the fuselage will curve at foot level
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chowpau
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XWB_flyer wrote
You know what I'm not gonna bother, since we have been discussing it on eariler pages.

But anyways are we going to see any further announcements like lessor announcements for 9 A320neo for PAL Express?
there are no announcement. They went to Paris for the purchase signing of the A35K order
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romantic_guy08
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PAL to lease one A330 and one Q400 which they are finalizing.

As mentioned during the senate hearing.
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frequentflier
Is it possible that they’ll get back their previous aircraft, or is it going to be a different metal?
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seven13
frequentflier wrote
Is it possible that they’ll get back their previous aircraft, or is it going to be a different metal?
 
AAX has 2 of their A330
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JNC03
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The funny thing is the airlines can be held liable for things sometimes not in their control anymore. They dont know about how bad supply chain is

But when the fingers are pointed at the government they are silent (building rail connection, new airport etc) yes they are being built now but its overdue already

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XWB_flyer
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That is "if" PAL adopt a Premium Heavy configuration which seem to be not the case 42 Business Class, and 24 Premium Economy. But will be beneficial to other airlines that can offer cheaper one stop fares from East Asia or the Middle East.

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romantic_guy08
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JNC03 wrote
The funny thing is the airlines can be held liable for things sometimes not in their control anymore. They dont know about how bad supply chain is
Then if they can't provide the service due to lack of aircraft or parts, they shouldn't sell and reduce flights.

Or put a colatilla on their tickets that the flight is NOT CONFIRMED and that it may be cancelled. Or maybe even better, may be discourage passengers from booking them and book other more reliable airlines instead.

Problem is, even if they are already suffering from aircraft shortage and lack of spare parts, they are expanding services. Case in point, we've seen that with PAL expanding CRK and CEB flights.
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JNC03
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The thinner walls are the new production standard according to Airbus this also includes dimmable windows

Having the wider cabin space doesn't mean you need to fill all of it, just like Iberia did they didn't adopt the 10 abreast A359 with the addtl space but increased the space of the economy seats instead. They also have improved premium economy seats and business class seats because of the space they have.

Airlines have a choice with the addtl space Airbus provided which is

Increase the comfort of the economy class seatsby having wider seats or put 10 abreast economy class sears which according to Airbus doesn't affect the passenger comfort because of the additional space they provided.

Some journalists note the 10 abreast economy class can help the airlines to sell the ticket for cheaper price and it is fit for an airport with limited slots.

Airbus did it to counter the capacity 77X has and to respond to the airline's requests which is to cramp in additional space and seats inside.
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frequentflier
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seven13 wrote
frequentflier wrote
Is it possible that they’ll get back their previous aircraft, or is it going to be a different metal?
 
AAX has 2 of their A330
I think they longer have a chance of getting back the refurbished A330s. But based on https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Philippine-Airlines, there’s still 2 A330s previously leased that’s still stored. Namely 8760 and 8765.
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XWB_flyer
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I'd love to access the article AFIK as FlightGlobal was the first to report it and are a fairly reputable source in the industry. But I don't have a subscription and don't want to pay just to access one article!

The reaction online where mix to negative about the 10-abreast with some saying PAL is going back to the Hybird LCC model from 2013. Which makes me wonder if PAL is trying to see social media reaction to the article? I'd also imagine Airbus had made really good promises about the 17" width for Y. Considering so far with the exception of LCC FrenchBee and Air Caribes. Most airlines continue to used the 9-abreast for their A35K even QR High-density configuration and VS with their Leisure Configuration.
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Darkknight85
XWB_flyer wrote
I'd love to access the article AFIK as FlightGlobal was the first to report it and are a fairly reputable source in the industry. But I don't have a subscription and don't want to pay just to access one article!

The reaction online where mix to negative about the 10-abreast with some saying PAL is going back to the Hybird LCC model from 2013. Which makes me wonder if PAL is trying to see social media reaction to the article? I'd also imagine Airbus had made really good promises about the 17" width for Y. Considering so far with the exception of LCC FrenchBee and Air Caribes. Most airlines continue to used the 9-abreast for their A35K even QR High-density configuration and VS with their Leisure Configuration.

Here is the article in FlightGlobal

Philippine Airlines is to fit 10-abreast seating to the economy cabin of its Airbus A350-1000s, taking advantage of recent interior upgrades to the variant.

The carrier is configuring the twinjets with 380 seats in three classes, including 24 in the premium-economy cabin and 42 in business.

Airbus has introduced a new standard for the -1000 with modifications including a wider interior which enables a 10-abreast layout.

Chief executive Stanley Ng says the carrier – which took its first Airbus, an A300B4, more than 40 years ago – is considering other changes to its fleet.

He states that the airline is “exploring options” to replace its A330-300s, of which it has 10, “in about three or four years’ time”.

The A350s will gradually replace Boeing 777-300ERs as they arrive over the course of 2025-27.

Ng says the addition of more A350s “makes sense”, and he is open to the possibility of A350 freighters, although he says the carrier is “quite new” to the concept of operating its own cargo aircraft.



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seven13
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XWB_flyer wrote
I'd love to access the article AFIK as FlightGlobal was the first to report it and are a fairly reputable source in the industry. But I don't have a subscription and don't want to pay just to access one article!

The reaction online where mix to negative about the 10-abreast with some saying PAL is going back to the Hybird LCC model from 2013. Which makes me wonder if PAL is trying to see social media reaction to the article? I'd also imagine Airbus had made really good promises about the 17" width for Y. Considering so far with the exception of LCC FrenchBee and Air Caribes. Most airlines continue to used the 9-abreast for their A35K even QR High-density configuration and VS with their Leisure Configuration.
Honestly speaking, PR’s B777 at 10 abreast is better than EK’s B777. I’ve tried EK’s B777 both the older cabin and the newer one and PR’s B777 is roomier than EK’s in Y. I’m 180cm/5’11. QR’s B777 (with Qsuites) was spacious somewhat equal to PR’s B777. Let’s just not compare SQ’s B772/3 at 9 abreast.
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chowpau
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XWB_flyer wrote
I'd love to access the article AFIK as FlightGlobal was the first to report it and are a fairly reputable source in the industry. But I don't have a subscription and don't want to pay just to access one article!

The reaction online where mix to negative about the 10-abreast with some saying PAL is going back to the Hybird LCC model from 2013. Which makes me wonder if PAL is trying to see social media reaction to the article? I'd also imagine Airbus had made really good promises about the 17" width for Y. Considering so far with the exception of LCC FrenchBee and Air Caribes. Most airlines continue to used the 9-abreast for their A35K even QR High-density configuration and VS with their Leisure Configuration.
https://youtu.be/8ZTQIBtL4d4
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Arianespace
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I've got the luxury of flying a B787-9 few days ago, which had a seat pitch of 17 by 32 for a 12 hour flight, and must admit that they are very tight, as compared to the A359 which i am accustomed to fly at 18 by 33 in 3-3-3 seat configuration.

PAL A35K will have the same pitch at 17" by 33", similar to B789. What you get is more legroom, which I think makes your space roomier at the expense of your shoulder bumping your neighbour. You would have difficulty eating your meal too!  

For comparison purposes, PAL B77w has  33" x 18.5" at 10 abreast, which is way wider than its replacement. That is 3 inches lost.

For those that didn't have opportunity to compare like i did, PAL A320 has bi class has 18" x 32" seat pitch (150) comfortable, while the dense configuration has 29" (180) uncomfortable. But that is okay for short haul.

Likewise, PAL A330 bi class has 18" x 32".This is the 2-4-2 variant. while its dense variant (3-3-3) has 16" x 30". For CEB A339, that would be "16 x 29". Way too uncomfortable for me.

I would have love the market differentiation PAL has. But if this is the way moving forward, I will gladly take a one stop service to North America or Europe anytime, and have the luxury of nine abreast seating in the ME, Hong Kong Taipei or Seoul.
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JNC03
This post was updated on .
Let's see what seat manufacturer PAL will put in their A35K, that will make a difference too in terms of confort in the economy class

For the addtl space I expect better business class and premium economy


There are a lot of unannounced orders on PAS, some of them from Asian airlines. Looks like Singapore airshow will be a good show to attend on feb 2024
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XWB_flyer
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Now that I can see the article they published the lacked of comments from PAL CEO is notable only mention the potential for more orders of the A350 and even considering the A350F. It seem Airbus is the one pushing for a 10-abreast configuration as a marketing pitch and have been doubting down. AFIK the only other major carrier actively considering the 10-abreast is Etihad which took delivery of 5 A35K and may acquire 15 more in the future to replace their B77W.

Will have too wait and see what they of seat PAL will be using for their proposed "10-abreast" configuration, and if their any further modifications to the side panels to allow room for both seat width and the aisle which is my biggest concern with a 3-4-3 configuration on the A350.
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