Airlines in the Philippines

[Evodesire]

Though their ads have improved, I noticed PAL's ads placement and visibility have went down the drain. I dont see newspaper ads anymore, I dont see Google ads, I dont see promo fares, nor do I see new TV ads.

What's happening? It seems like they just disappeared from the limelight from the time JJB took over. They were very visible during RSA's time though their marketing sucked big time during the start but were very aggressive in adivertising left and right.

What do you guys foresee in PAL within the next for years while under the LTG group? Think they would be back in the red?

[airboy007]

Would anyone be familiar with how the sector YVR-YYZ be operated after March 15? I hope PAL won't pull out from flying the YYZ sector. It would be a shame to have another route cancelled. :-(

[chowpau]

as far as I know, there are no cancellations. Is this because of the codeshare with Westjet?

My understanding the codeshare for the YVR-YYZ with Westjet are for those flights that PAL flights the MNL-YVR-MNL leg only (or even the MNL-YVR-JFK leg)

[airboy007]

chowpau wrote

as far as I know, there are no cancellations. Is this because of the codeshare with Westjet?

My understanding the codeshare for the YVR-YYZ with Westjet are for those flights that PAL flights the MNL-YVR-MNL leg only (or even the MNL-YVR-JFK leg)

yeah. Well I hope it will be additional capacity to support the additional passengers from MNL-YVR because of the introduction of the JFK frequency . Fingers crossed.

[Arianespace]

airboy007 wrote

Would anyone be familiar with how the sector YVR-YYZ be operated after March 15? I hope PAL won't pull out from flying the YYZ sector. It would be a shame to have another route cancelled. :-(

It simply means that West Jet will fly for days between YVR and YYZ when PAL isn't flying and will feed YYZ for MNL bound traffic. Remember PAL flew only 4x a week to YYZ. With the code shares, It will now be possible to exit from YVR to MNL 11 times a week from pre-defined points in Canada.


I was hoping this would double Canada entitlements but Air Canada holds the ace on the other side, not west jet.  

[seven13]

Aside from the Airbus training facility that will be set up here in the PH, any other hints on what Hollande will be bringing to town?

[Arianespace]

Much as I would like to give a hint, there really is nothing to tell until the deals are sealed. We call it "protocol". Until then they'll just hearsay. I would rather refrain from doing that. I might end up spoiling the egg in the end.

[Evodesire]

Speaking of Airbus, I read in some column that PAL under JJB is again planning its long haul fleet and from what I had read, they are in talks again for Airbus A350 jets. Any hints about this?

[seven13]

Was Airbus' President with French PM Hollande?

[Arianespace]

His not. But the Airbus project is still a go. I was waiting for it to be told. None was mentioned. Perhaps at a later time.  

[seven13]

Oh thats why.
I was waiting for the announcement though.

BTW, is the A35J and A359 the same?

[romantic_guy08]

seven13 wrote

Oh thats why.
I was waiting for the announcement though.

BTW, is the A35J and A359 the same?

The A35J/A350-1000 is the stretched version of the of the A359...

[seven13]

why did PR suddenly retimed its LHR and have 720/722 flight numbers? It's now good for the MNL departure for a little more domestic connections but it does not help from the other end. Also good for LHR departure for some connecting traffic but upon arrival in Manila is quite a dead end.

[seven13]

Got it! Thanks for this.

[Arianespace]

seven13 wrote

why did PR suddenly retimed its LHR and have 720/722 flight numbers? It's now good for the MNL departure for a little more domestic connections but it does not help from the other end. Also good for LHR departure for some connecting traffic but upon arrival in Manila is quite a dead end.

Actually it isn't. It just made a strategic move not only to LHR but for domestic connections. Maybe they already figured that most traffic from LHR arrives in MNL via ME carriers as well as CPA at night. So there is good basis for the transfer. Maybe they want to capitalize on that arrival bank. Although it remains to be seen whether that strategy would turned out successful. I do understand seasonal traffic variations. I doubt however if the rationalization of schedules would do wonders for them.

As to LHR, morning and evening slot pairs are more expensive than late morning and afternoon slots. So there you go.

[seven13]

Arrival is 2005H. It can still do transfers to CEB and DVO perhaps KLO too, but I think it's quite limited (but better than none). DVO & DXB is already back with PR.

[Arianespace]

The  8PM arrival time pretty much connect to all departing domestic flights early morning the next day. And since they are trying to connect again the kangaroo network, the time bodes well for connections to Sydney, Melbourne and Darwin. Although the trip back to LHR is quite of a challenge. I did see a newspaper ad about this "kangaroo network" in London but cannot somehow remember where the image was posted.

There was this plan before that PAL would eventually connect the kangaroo network with return flights from Australia connecting to LHR. I just cannot figure the how?

There was also this plan of extending flights to New Zealand. PAL has fifth freedom from Australia to New Zealand. With the current schedule, the plane would be back from Auckland for a late evening departure from Australia. That plane would arrive between 6-9am assuming they indeed fly to NZ or they could park all day long before heading back home.  The old schedule and the new one fits perfectly well. So you see, they are working on the timing.

[seven13]

That's if PR will fly to AKL from SYD/MEL.

You mentioned on your previous post that a lot of LHR traffic of CX arrives on the 10PM and 12MN flight, so then PR followed to re-time its LHR? I find it quite surprising for those passengers choosing to stay for a night here in MNL and then connecting the following day onto domestic flights rather than just arriving MNL at 9AM and then connecting to domestic flights later in the afternoon, same day.

[Arianespace]

I think its not surprising after all. There is no morning arrival bank from LHR other than CX at 10AM. And that would be too late for most of domestic connections which have single flight. UAE would have it at 7AM and the erstwhile KLM but they were all gone now and even that is not enough to get decent connections. Meanwhile, the afternoon arrivals would be too early for the most domestic connections the following day, other than major ones with multiple flights.  

And speaking of LHR here is the newspaper ad I told you about. If you figure the telephone number you'll know what country it is published.

[seven13]

Thanks for the insight. Now it makes more sense. I was checking kayak and PAL turned out to be the cheapest SYD-LHR round trip although the SYD departure will last for 43hrs while the return leg is at 24hrs. If our immigration will be more transit friendly, I'm sure PAL will be offering HOTAC on the first leg just as what it did before for PVG-LAX(PR112) flights.