Airlines in the Philippines

[Evodesire]

They say October and December. In this case, will the 2 new 777s be leased? Or are they taking the slot of GA on 2 777s first?

[Solblanc]

Should we be keeping our fingers crossed at the Paris Airshow?

[romantic_guy08]

Someone's getting sued for $10M for a cancelled flight and poor customer service...

Philippines Air's JFK Debacle Leads to Lawsuit

QUEENS, N.Y. (CN) - A woman whose flight to the Philippines from JFK Airport was mysteriously canceled - and who was then bounced around from hotel to hotel and never rebooked - has sued Philippine Airlines for $10 million.
     Cherilyn Darilag is the lead plaintiff in the May 26 class action filed in superior court over a May 17 flight to Manila via Vancouver that was allegedly grounded for mechanical problems and then never rescheduled.

[seven13]

I wonder how the air talks went. 5J is starting its 2 weekly DOH in a few day's time.

Qatar seeks more Manila flights

[Rewaz]

Hello,

I want to ask you that if some lost the baggage, how he/she would be refunded or how much money per kgs.


Thanks

[Arianespace]

It seems most of the questions raised here are already answered by default by the prevailing reports so I may not bother to add anything to that.

As to lost baggage, depends really. Check your ticket at the back, or better yet contact the airline for claims. I assure you it wont be as expensive as you claim to be unless you earlier declared a higher valuation for it. Most of it can be found on the TAC.

[Solblanc]

Okay, I'm a little confused on how the TK codeshare worked out.

I'm surprised that CAB actually granted TK their desire for daily flights. After waiting so long, it took a visit of the Turkish PM to the Philippines to get the three weekly flights, despite a long history of local opposition.

Now, after the grant of daily flights, there's even a codeshare. Are the CEB and DVO markets that important for TK? Most of the time, PR codeshares with other airlines in that region entailed the renting of entitlements, which was stopped when 5J questioned it.

As for the 5th freedom rights, is there any intent to use them? I know FRA and TLV are interesting markets, and that IST is within range of the current A330s. But what is with this new round of liberalization?

[Arianespace]

There was no opposition. There was no legal basis for the flight to begin with. But you are correct that Turkish PM got a hand to make the ball rolling. Bilateral grants doesn't start with requested frequency. It usually starts to a reasonable frequency, which is 3 or 4 times a week, and then expands from there. It's the same thing with Oman Air or the mighty EK when they started.  But you can say that TK is the fastest expanding airline in PH.

The proposed codeshare agreement with PR dates way back, from HKG to BKK, but without the bilaterals, rights within this sector is closed. The present code share is the product of six months negotiation, similar to ANA and Etihad. With the end view of funneling passengers, ie driving them away from 5J. Since its packaged, fares turns out cheap.

Turkey seldom offer Fifth Freedom rights from their shore yet they did. Why? TK CEO has long been dreaming of Australia, and the best market stop happens to be MNL, where it was served by two airlines (now 3). Similarly, the best route out of IST is FRA where PR is contemplating of service where it not for the corporate feud at PAL. It is also served by two airlines, LH and TK.

We should know that traffic to Germany is only second to the UK. Had it flown, it can survive 3x a week on a A340. But it has better survival rate by stopping at IST like YVR-JFK. In so doing, it can bring also its new A330. In fact this could be a potential 77W route. The possibilities are endless with IST as PR hub.

No wonder a pair of monoclass A330 is destined for trimming to 311 seats which from my perspective is a 2-4-2 and the same business class seating. I don't know if the conversion started already. But I'm not inclined to believe that all monoclass are due for conversion. JJB was quoted as saying they will operate 3 sub-type of the A330s eventually. I suspect four frames will eventually be converted and they should be destined westbound. By the way, the scrapped 5 A330 orders were meant for Europe.

[seven13]

I'm intrigued as to why PH is the best stop for TK onwards to OZ? There are other Asian cities which TK can stop onto OZ? It makes me wonder what value does MNL have to TK? From KUL, MH and D7 operates to OZ, TPE we have CI only, (SIN and BKK can be exempted since it's a Star hub), from CGK, there's QF and GA.

Why the need for a 311 and 329 config for its A330? Can't it just be 2 configurations? BTW, A340 will once again operate HNL replacing current A330 starting 01SEP.

Re: 777 lease from intrepid; an article mention that the 2 additional 777 leased from intrepid will be equipped with next generation IFEs, do you think we're seeing eFx3 at last?

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PR112 will once again operate at night starting 01SEP, meanwhile, Monday ex-MNL dep. will operate nightime with ETD at 2200h.

[Arianespace]

A lot I would  say. TK had been shopping for a hub in Asia Pacific since 2010. Meanwhile, PR is similarly looking for a hub in Europe. In 2012 TK was setting its sight in SIN. Its negotiation with Singapore failed. It later trained its sight in BKK in 2014. It failed as well. HKG is closed by the Chinese and TPE is not even in Kotil's mind. The only option left for him was MNL where its home airline is also desperate going to Europe.

This is what Kotil said in 2013;

Kotil: “Well we are really missing from Australia – everyone is there except Turkish Airlines. We want to start a Kangaroo route in 2015, but we definitely won’t be buying the aircraft to do it non-stop, it will be via big hub, probably Singapore.”

As for the A330, It could be that PR is getting rid of the monoclass eventually thus the 311 and the 329 config. together with the 368 seaters. The logic appears to be the reason why HNL is  back to the A340. I am more inclined to believe now that they are following CX direction in regional and long haul product values and fleet plans.

The new 77W should have the panasonic efx 3 as standard. By this year efx 2 is already 10 years old. My understanding is that the old 777 are going to be upgraded as well.  And I'm sensing a uniform product in all long haul platform, including the upcoming orders.

[seven13]

TK to OZ has surfaced in a.net. Listed cities are SIN, BKK, MLE, CMB and CGK for possible stop over. Well nothing is definite and is full of speculation. Someone posted that TK is allowed 3X to SYD and 2X to MEL per week but they are keen on daily flights.
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MH dropping BNE by 07AUG, hopefully PAL can pick up some of its clientele.

re: efx3. Really cool if it'll be installed across the LH fleet. InAir just got an upgrade in is slowly rolling out. Even the A321 will eventually be installed with InAir.

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I read a CAPA report on EVA airways. It just started ops to IAH from TPE and will add ORD by late 2016 or early 2017. It has a fleet of 30+ 777 and its A330s doing key SE Asia routes meanwhile A321 flying to secondary cities in Asia. They are now banking (and heavily investing) on SE Asia - TPE - NA traffic. In the future it plans to add more frequencies to key SE Asia cities to connect to its NA routes, I'm sure it won't be to long if we'll have another frequency from BR. PR should build up its longhaul plans carefully so as not to lose potential passengers (and possibly lure back its previous customers). It's an interesting article, I must say.  

[Arianespace]

Today is good news for all civil aviation crazy folks.

The European Commission just updated the lists yesterday and it removes the Philippines from anything unsatisfactory. They issued press release yesterday.

I hope it minimizes bashing from all CAAP related criticism.

[Solblanc]

Okay, so we have some new rumors to chew on.

A.net is saying that PR is getting two more 77Ws in addition to the two already leased. Where would they fly these planes to? This is a pretty significant rise in capacity.

Also, local media reports are reiterating the b787 vs a350 choice for PAL. Initial guesses were pointing towards it being a done deal in favor of the A350. Did anything change? Is the B787 back on the table?

I would think that Boeing should fight to keep the A350 out of PAL's fleet. If PAL gets the A350, once the time for replacing the 77Ws comes around, the A350-1000 would be an ideal choice for commonality over the 777X, which is markedly bigger.

Finally, we have TG discontinuing LAX and FCO. FCO seems to be a low-hanging fruit for PAL and 5J. We have the traffic rights for a MNL-FCO-BKK flight, and we also have the demand. PR and 5J can fly that route with their A330s. Now, the question is, will the numbers be commensurate with the strategic perception that this could work.

Just some thoughts

[seven13]

In my opinion, the additional 2 77W is quite unlikely since no press release had been made unless PR plans to mount additional frequency on PR112, replace SYD operations and LHR from A340 to B777. PR is also bound to refurbish its monoclass A330 to a bi-class, less dense configuration.

I'm quite surprised about the B787 but JJB is keen on doing MNl-JFK direct/non-stop service and return which the A350 can perform. I wonder if Boeing is doing/negotiating with PR through back channels.

[Evodesire]

Well about the A350-1000 vs 777X, EK cancelled 70 orders of the former and then placed in 150 orders of the latter. Seems like EK saw something significant.

With regards to PAL, I feel they are better off with the 777X than still going for the A350-1000. Comes between the payload of a 77W and a 744, can still fly the distance, and is still fuel efficient. And I dont think they would replace those 77Ws anytime soon unlike the A340s in which the A350-900 would be the best replacement.

[Arianespace]

The two triple seven is confirmed. It will still be heading to North America.

Rumors at the other forums are suggesting another two but that is, well rumor as of this writing.

Another rumor circulating is apparently a fight between B787 and A350. I see JJB playing the media here. I can recall there was a challenge 2-3 years ago under SMC as Boeing make pitch to RSA but now its with LT Group. My bubuwit at PAL confirmed the latter is already a done deal. I can even bet on it. Who wants to play?

And another thing, the most disliked aircraft happen to bring plenty of money to the flag carrier. That's one reason basher's a.k.a armchair CEO can never run an airline like PAL. Because they don't know the economics of flying the A340. They have four engines yes. But they are flown almost full. So where is the waste there? Sure, the triple seven if efficient if you fill the plane, but it will cost the airline's wallet if flown half empty.

[seven13]

If I get this correct, additional 2 77W will replace the A340 on PR112/114, will the freed up A340 be retired already leaving 4 frames rotating to YVr/JFK, SYD and LHR? PR730 will be using a B777 4X a week soon.

Is the refurbishing of A330 gonna happen to a less dense configuration?

BTW, what is CASM again?

[romantic_guy08]

seven13 wrote

If I get this correct, additional 2 77W will replace the A340 on PR112/114, will the freed up A340 be retired already leaving 4 frames rotating to YVr/JFK, SYD and LHR? PR730 will be using a B777 4X a week soon.

Is the refurbishing of A330 gonna happen to a less dense configuration?

BTW, what is CASM again?

^^

Cost per Average Seat Mile

[seven13]

Got to read the definition of CASM but I still find it vague. It the total operating cost (is it per flight?) divided by available seat mile. The lower the CASM the efficient ithe airline operates. Does it follow that a fully loaded 777 will have a lower CASM versus a fully loaded quad jet like the A340? Let's say PR102 vs PR112

[Arianespace]

It will replace none. As I was saying before the A340 will be replaced by the A350. It will serve the less dense long haul routes, i.e. LHR, JFK and the like. It can even run 112 and 114.

The 77W doing 730/731 is mostly attributed to tourism traffic between. There has been a resurgence of Filipino tourists lately to the Thai capital.

In another noteworthy news, the UAE successfully convinced the Philippine government upon the strong lobby of DOT to sit down with them for additional seven slots over the protests of Philippine carriers. Talks are supposed to be held next month but the taste is so bitter to the local airlines that they seek postponement till November. The slots demanded were accordingly 14. Sobra naman. PAL isn't even flying the entire 7 slots they have.

What I don't understand about this deal is that it is supposedly intended to boost tourism traffic between the two countries. However, If you look at DOT data, there are more Filipinos going to Dubai than Emirite going to the Philippines. I don't know about Mr. Jimenez, but something isn't right here. His argument that the Philippines is restricting tourism traffic is not right. For one, we have WY, TK and ET to take the slack of the tourism traffic from elsewhere. Isn't it right to make them grow too?

I am not favoring the local airlines but their argument is right. I would have agreed if it were KSA. It is also easier to agree if PAL used its 7 slots. But no, this is UAE were talking.