Airlines in the Philippines

[Arianespace]

^^

cabinpressure wrote

That's interesting, as PAL is now hinting Paris as its next destination.

Interesting. I did made a comment last September about it.

Arianespace wrote

And now here's another rumor floating. Paris will be back online this year possibly December. Could this be the parting gift of RSA? or a burden of JJB?

By the way, the one who broke this news is no other than the President of the Philippines. I wonder no one scooped that story. When I verified the news on tv, it was apparently already in the table, whatever that is. I looked up the news and there was none other than reports made January of this year.

I just remember how PAL float New York. Could this be the new company that is heading advertising. Marketing gimmick is oddly identical.
 

[Evodesire]

PAL's marketing has greatly improved to be honest about it. They just have to be more aggressive maybe like more presence on social media and billboards.

[seven13]

I do hope PAL will be able to fly to Paris soon!



On a side note, let's hope LHR will stay on the network. Been hearing rumors that they'll axe it due to poor performance.

And, THY is flying to Manila starting MAR2015

TK084 IST0100 – 1800MNL 343 136
TK085 MNL2050 – 0505+1IST 343 136

So we have 3 new airlines flying to Manila
THY, MF and Oman Air

Plus,
CAB slaps Emirates with P1.8M fine

Article

[cabinpressure]

I did remember, but I didn't expect them to push through after what has been said. Is it correct that it is on GDS now?

Personally though, I'm excited about THY starting flights.

[Evodesire]

Exactly what I heard too. Sad to say that LTG does not have the money to support an expansion. A 787 or A350 or more 777s would be appropriate to make those Euro flights successful. Despite the stiff competition from ME carriers.

[airboy007]

Hey guys, I wonder anyone is aware, but it seems that moving the A320/A321 maintenance to PALEx might be cheaper for now, but is starting to become costlier over time. I have been flying these narrow bodies lately and they seem to be poorly maintained, and several parts are always on HIL (hold item list). These planes are still released for service though, with temporary work arounds done like temporary stickers to keep things in place and such (without compromising safety of course).

But yesterday, 6 PALEx planes went on tech, making PAL scramble to charter flights in their behalf causing severe delays all throughout the network. Until today, several flights have to be operated by PAL as a charter, Im guessing because the planes that went on tech are still waiting parts. It's a pitty. And I thought LTP was doing a poor job before.

[seven13]

I thought only the A321s are under PALEx maintenence and the rest are still with LTP.
Yesterday, PR426 returned to ramp at around 12nn due to aircraft problem. It was C9903.

[airboy007]

seven13 wrote

I thought only the A321s are under PALEx maintenence and the rest are still with LTP.
Yesterday, PR426 returned to ramp at around 12nn due to aircraft problem. It was C9903.

yeah its just the 321s. 9903 has problems with its landing gear. It didn't deploy properly i believe on approach to haneda (or another japan station), but the pilots had to abort landing, do a manual deployment and had a flyby for confirmation before they were cleared for landing.

[airboy007]

Just in, a 320 of AirAsia Philippines overshot the runway in KLO, most probably because of the bad weather.

[Solblanc]

Happy New Year, guys!

I wonder what 2015 will bring to the table.

PAL's search for a "strategic partner" goes on. Cebu Pacific continues its growth, in both passengers and haters. And while the Sangley airport project has been announced, we have quite a bit of political uncertainty, and nobody will want to take on a project at the end of an administration, especially after the Terminal 3 fiasco.

Looking forward to all the developments :)

[Arianespace]

Another good news for the Philippines is that Airbus has chosen the country instead of Malaysia and Singapore to house its regional training facility.

       

Airbus to put up training center in PH

 
by Raymund F. Antonio
Manila Bulletin

The dream for the Philippines to become an international site for Airbus training will finally be realized as the first training center by the French aircraft manufacturer is set to rise in Manila.

According to the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP), the training center is equipped with a “brand-new A330/A340 full flight simulator and associated suite of devices on top of two A320 simulators.”

This was actually one of the agreements signed in France last year with no less than President Hollande and Aquino witnessing the landmark Airbus investment to the country. Of course we can fairly say that Philippines is an Airbus country.

[cabinpressure]

This is great news indeed!

Arianespace wrote

Of course we can fairly say that Philippines is an Airbus country.

Another interesting new chapter in that story. Ariane, I love that story you posted way back about Airbus and PAL, BTW.

[Arianespace]

Actually there is more to it than meets the eye. I'm not allowed to disclose confidential information further. All I can say is wait until the French President comes here this year. His companion just happens to be Airbus big boss. And his French.

That is also an interesting story Solblanc to be anticipated in 2015.

Makes you wonder, why would an Airbus CEO come here? Having said that, I wonder too if Boeing CEO would care to come here?

[romantic_guy08]

Arianespace wrote

Actually there is more to it than meets the eye. I'm not allowed to disclose confidential information further. All I can say is wait until the French President comes here this year. His companion just happens to be Airbus big boss. And his French.

That is also an interesting story Solblanc to be anticipated in 2015.

Makes you wonder, why would an Airbus CEO come here? Having said that, I wonder too if Boeing CEO would care to come here?

Fabrice Bergier is coming this year? this is on top of the Airbus training facility deal?

[Evodesire]

Read that PAL is in talks with Boeing for an additional 4 jets. Wonder if Airbus is about to submit a counter offer for PAL.

[Arianespace]

romantic_guy08 wrote

Fabrice Bergier is coming this year? this is on top of the Airbus training facility deal?

Yap. That is the news we got so far. The training facility is just the tip of the iceberg.

Evodesire wrote

Read that PAL is in talks with Boeing for an additional 4 jets. Wonder if Airbus is about to submit a counter offer for PAL.

You are making this story more interesting.

I don't have any information on that level. It seems their planning department is closed ever since JJB took over.

I can however hazard a guess. PAL planning from the erstwhile JJB era always favored the A350-900 from the 77W. It was only during RSA stint that long haul was floated to be Boeing.

The rationale is quite simple actually. A similar tactic was employed by RSA on the A380. While the 77W is a desired plane, its just way too big for the market they try to serve. The A350 however fits perfectly well for their network and a good compliment to the triple seven. It could work well to North America and Europe. Cuts both ways so to speak.

There were two variants for long haul under consideration, the 250-300 seater plane and the 300-350 variants for high density routes. They already address the latter. The most immediate need they have is the former. Manufacturers offered A350 and B787. The most logical choice for the 250 seater long haul. Problem there is the delivery schedule. So they got the next best thing, the A340 for the same size. The latter as we all know is fully covered by the 77W.

The question now, is it enough? For the routes they currently fly, it is. But you must understand that the plan in 2005 was to put 10 of them in service. The company however manage to add only two frames. Why? Because demand to LAX and SFO happens to be less than expected. More people are flying one stop to North America. Its now 2015 and they can't even make a twice daily flight to LAX work which they could have done as early as 2 years ago.

The more pressing question however is why would you buy a plane you cannot fill? Tough question that needs logical answers. In airline economics they call it right sizing. Not vanity fair.

I won't be surprise if the new old group at PAL planning department follows the path taken by CX, ordering A350-900 and B777-900. The 77W was a good product 12 years ago but now races extinction. The A350-1000 is a good bet though to replace PAL's Boeing. Very interesting indeed.

[seven13]

Is it only me still hoping for JED and DOH to come online?
PR is asking the government for the reallocation of POM rights from CEB. Any likelihood it'll be granted and eventually come online?
Do you think KLO-JP will open anytime soon? CEB-China or even KLO-China?

FCO for 5J and MXP for PR. I doubt though that MXP will open anytime soon. Someone mentioned PR is only keen on starting FRA; if it's not FRA then none. What's with FRA that PR is very keen on opening? CDG or AMS seems to be a good one.

Nowadays, it seems like PR is very careful in spending its money. When it was still RSA's management, manuals are revised every so often that crews get confused with what is what. Now, since the new management came in (again), the manuals haven't been revised not even once but updates are given, still.

[cabinpressure]

PAL already teased MPH-JP/China/Korea last year. And it seems that a lot of the groundwork has been done there already. I suppose these flights, whether its MPH or KLO, will start sooner or later considering APEC.

RSA was the one keen on starting FRA, supposedly because of rail links. But then, Fraport. AMS should be good for cargo as well.

[chowpau]

Training facility a tip of the ice berg..hmmm...it smells like Philippine version Toulouse plant. The top boss of a company visiting the country sounds like something very big plans

[seven13]

cabinpressure wrote

PAL already teased MPH-JP/China/Korea last year. And it seems that a lot of the groundwork has been done there already. I suppose these flights, whether its MPH or KLO, will start sooner or later considering APEC.

RSA was the one keen on starting FRA, supposedly because of rail links. But then, Fraport. AMS should be good for cargo as well.

PAL already did 2 charter KLO-NRT last December and hoping it will start regular service. KLO-ICN and PUS is already a regular service. I'm quite skeptical with KLO/MPH-CHN route since the travel ban placed by the Chinese government is still in place. I've heard, a lot or chartered flights to CEB last July/August were canceled due to low bookings.