Another positive development...
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In reply to this post by romantic_guy08
JFK is now bookable in the PAL website...
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Now bookable via the ANA website: ANA and Philippine Airlines today (01OCT14) announced reciprocal codeshare agreement (including frequent flyer program partnership), due to commence on 26OCT14. Subject to Government Approval, the codeshare service covers 37 routes between Japan and Philippines, as well as Domestic Japan and Philippines service. Planned codeshare routes as follow. ANA operated by Philippine Airlines Cebu – Tokyo Narita Manila – Bacolod Manila – Caticlan Manila – Cebu Manila – Davao Manila – Dumaguete Manila – Fukuoka Manila – Kalibo Manila – Laoag Manila – Nagoya Manila – Osaka Kansai Manila – Puerto Princesa Manila – Tacloban Manila – Tagbilaran Manila – Tokyo Haneda Manila – Tokyo Narita Philippine Airlines operated by ANA Fukuoka – Komatsu Fukuoka – Miyazaki Fukuoka – Okinawa Fukuoka – Osaka Itami Fukuoka – Sendai Nagoya – Miyazaki Nagoya – Sapporo Nagoya – Sendai Tokyo Haneda – Iwakuni Tokyo Haneda – Kagoshima Tokyo Haneda – Kumamoto Tokyo Haneda – Manila Tokyo Haneda – Miyazaki Tokyo Haneda – Nagasaki Tokyo Haneda – Osaka Itami Tokyo Haneda – Sapporo Tokyo Haneda – Tokushima Tokyo Narita – Komatsu Tokyo Narita – Manila Tokyo Narita – Niigata Tokyo Narita – Osaka Itami Tokyo Narita – Sapporo Tokyo Narita – Sendai http://airlineroute.net/2014/10/01/nhpr-codeshare-w14/?utm_source=social&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social141001 |
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I think they revised it again. PR112/3 will stay plus additional PR114/5 thrice a week. On other news, JJB has confirmed that A321 deliveries for 2015 will be deferred. 3 more A321 and A330s will be delivered within the year. I guess with the current routes, PAL has enough aircraft to fly them. No new frequencies nor routes announced within Asia. EU expansion will be put on hold while concentrating in North American routes. |
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I was anticipating Paris announcement this October but with JJB statement I guess they won't be forthcoming anytime soon. Now I wonder if the rest of the middle east expansion plans are also shelved?
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The irony of it all.
LTG gets full control of PAL for ego purposes but ends up deferring aircraft orders and shelving expansion plans. I think this is even worse, just shows that PAL is way better under the SMC group than with LTG. Well lets see if they can post better profits. RSA must be laughing his heart out right now at LTG. |
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I guess they are more confident with NA routes. Shall we see SAN, LAS, ORD soon on PR's routes? This management team wasn't keen on EU from the start, I suppose. With shortage of cash flow, I guess they are very cautious to open a highly competitive route such as EU. We can't blame them for that. IMO, they should not put ME expansion on hold. The A330s currently with PR should be enough to open new ME routes (after saying that there's no place to fly them) unless they will add capacity to existing routes such as MEL, DMM, RUH or upgrade some A321 routes to A330. @evo, I don't see the other A321s flying off to if they are to be delivered on schedule. And besides, I would love to fly on an A320 rather on an A321. |
In practical terms, can the 240t variant of the A330 really fly from Vancouver to Manila? If PAL didn't convert those later A330s on order (which I assume are 240t), then maybe they can have more leeway for their NA plans.
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Can't PAL convert some of those A321CEOs to NEOs so that it can fly longer to destinations in Australia like Perth and Brisbane straight without suffering penalties?
Anyway, an observation of mine. SMC is very aggressive, but they know how to make things work. Example were Toronto, London, and Middle East. LTG with JJB goes for a conservative approach, but yet, some of their strategies and expansion plans do not seem to work. |
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My thoughts: A330s - continue with the ME expansion (i.e. JED, DOH, KUW), add frequencies to DXB, RUH, DMM A320s - transfer these to 2P to better compete with 5J (i.e. add domestic capacity/frequency) and bring back the CEB hub of 2P. A321s - let PR operate all A321s to regional destinations (plus BNE, DRW, PER) |
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I'm quite alarmed at JJB's statement about the middle east. He said that ME suffers overcapacity yet 5J gets a cut by breaking in. If it was indeed saturated, why does 5J keep on expanding that side of the market?
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Hehe, for me, LTG and JJB alone taking over is already alarming. Then news comes in about the deferals of aircraft. Then more news comes in about the shelving of routes. Then here he comes saying there is an over capacity for the ME routes. So all these things SMC had done will be placed at the back burner? And PAL suddenly returns to the red, and they scramble for another partner, partner takes management control, PAL soars with new partner, then LTG takes over again, and the cycle continues.
I remember when RSA newly took over from JJB, he announced a fleet modernization program of 100 aircraft, new destinations like places in Europe, more in NA, Middle East, and Asutralia. Honestly, only time my hopes for PAL would be high once again is when LTG finally lets go of the airline completely. People doubted RSA's expansion plans like London, Toronto, Middle East, etc. But I guess he had the last laugh. Oh well, O guess everyone's eyes are now on the LTG. If PAL returns to the red and their total market share is eaten up by 5J under their management, that would be a bigger blow to their ego. |
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yun na nga eh. JBB says they have too many short/medium planes without enough routes. And yet as you both mentioned about middle east and cebpac, or the suggestion of reactivating the vismin hub. Fyi, I saw on their October issue of Isla onboard magazine, route map includes vismin hub!
Rather than deferring those planes, why didn't they just negotiate to change it (like what they did with the 330 and 321 orders) to long haul types or just order 777s from boeing since they said they lack long haul planes? All they did was to defer, period. |
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I'm sorry but I have to disagree with PR operating A321 as their smallest a/c and 2P cannot handle all A320s as they have a lack of manpower (I'm guessing) since CGY is now flown by PR crews. Sometimes, DVO and CEB are also flown by PR crews.
It's interesting how RSA and JJB have different management styles. I hope someone could make a study out of it to shed some light as to how they make their decisions. Has anyone seen an article published during the buyback citing HNA as a possible partner/investor? Synergy wise, it can bring in more pax number, although, mostly Chinese from China and then transiting onwards to OZ and other SEA routes; maybe US and EU also, especially with China's one route, one airline policy. |
Not all local airports can take the A321s. These aircraft have a slower rate of ascend and they cannot pitch their nose up that much during take off due to possible tail strikes. I think PAL Express should operate a mix of A321s and A320s. They definitely can't let go of the A320s.
Though JJB should be on the lookout too as 5J has a pending 30 A321NEO orders. And these aircraft can fly non-stop India or even Brisbane while being more fuel efficient. RSA is aggressive, but he knows how to make things work. JJB and LTG is too conservative. What the JJB/LTG was not able to do were proven wrong by the RSA regime. ME routes, London, and East Coast Canada. The fact RSA announced Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Paris for PAL aside from London, he must have had that strategy as proven by his London flight. And I was surprised that JJB said Europe is not much of a market wherein even 5J wants to fly there. |
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2P/PR 1519/1520 is effectively a charter/wet-leased flight with PR as the operating carrier... those 2P flights with a PR 1XXX flight numbers are essentially wet-leased flights operated by PR either due to lack of aircraft or AOG situations... which actually leads me to believe that 2P needs more aircraft. Sometime August, after 2-3 2P A320s were either returned to lessor or transferred to another airline, 2P had to deploy Q400s to some flights to the Visayas, and I think even to Mindanao as a replacement to the A320s that were gone. I more inclined to think that 2P lacks additional aircraft to effectively compete with 5J, and of course to revive the CEB hub. |
With the number of A321s ordered, don't you think 2P should take some of them? A combination of A321s and A320s would be great for them.
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As far as I can remember the details under the SMC plan, 2P would operate at least 10 A321s for its major domestic network. In fact, this plan was already in effect for CGY and ILO, with PR flying them. Some of it flew already to BCD and ZAM, aside from the regular CEB and DVO runs. Perhaps the NEO's were meant for PAL while the CEO's are destined for GAP. With JJB at the helm I don't know what their policy direction would be now other than his remarks of continuing RSA's expansion plan. We all heard about order deferrals though.
Meanwhile, CEB is intensifying their foothold in the domestic market by growing more passengers.
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^^^ not only is cebpac growing more passengers, but cargo also. For cargo from cebu to mindanao, cebpac planes are enjoying very good cargo loads.
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I believe CEB has taken more than 60% of the domestic market share. This is with Tiger combined. AFAIK, Air Asia Zest has reduced its domestic flights by a significant number with a majority number of their crew members being assigned in Malaysia
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