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[Travelbug_89]

The new seats would be a big upgrade even compared to the 77W's J class offering and the Y and Y+ also look much better. Hopefully they start trickling these new configurations and seats to the 77W and that the A350 gets them, it'd be nice to be able to fly the A350 on PR 152/153 and get more comfortable seats, once they come online that is.

Speaking of the A350s, I wonder if CEB-LAX and MNL-LHR will be the first routes to get them as they start arriving.

[Unbreakable]

Travelbug_89 wrote

The new seats would be a big upgrade even compared to the 77W's J class offering and the Y and Y+ also look much better. Hopefully they start trickling these new configurations and seats to the 77W and that the A350 gets them, it'd be nice to be able to fly the A350 on PR 152/153 and get more comfortable seats, once they come online that is.

Speaking of the A350s, I wonder if CEB-LAX and MNL-LHR will be the first routes to get them as they start arriving.

I'm guessing the 350s will replace all 340 routes.
- SYD/Melb
- Guam
- LHR
- Ceb-LAX
- MNL-SFO (PR114/115)

anything else i've missed?

[maortega15]

Unbreakable wrote

Travelbug_89 wrote

The new seats would be a big upgrade even compared to the 77W's J class offering and the Y and Y+ also look much better. Hopefully they start trickling these new configurations and seats to the 77W and that the A350 gets them, it'd be nice to be able to fly the A350 on PR 152/153 and get more comfortable seats, once they come online that is.

Speaking of the A350s, I wonder if CEB-LAX and MNL-LHR will be the first routes to get them as they start arriving.

I'm guessing the 350s will replace all 340 routes.
- SYD/Melb
- Guam
- LHR
- Ceb-LAX
- MNL-SFO (PR114/115)

anything else i've missed?

JFK without the stop in YVR.

[Travelbug_89]

HNL, SYD and MEL are going to the reconfigured A330s, so I doubt the A350s will be flying those routes unless there's really no other aircraft available. Hopefully with the A350 coming online and taking over MNL-JFK, it frees up a 77W too. Other than that, MNL-JFK, CEB-LAX, PR 114/115, MNL-LHR, and some newer routes are what my guesses are for the A350 though its possible it could also sub for PR 102/103, 112/113 if needed. I wonder if they'll turn YYZ into a direct flight both ways with the A350?

[Arianespace]

Eurest wrote

Are the midnight departure and 3AM arrival times at MNL for PR west coast too congested wherein the slots would not allow for the separation times required for a Super?

Are the remote stands near the hotel big enough to fit 2-3 Supers at the same time

How A380 friendly is the new MIAA head?

Could we see CRK to US west coast soon as a probable step in CRK's expansion?

Only asking because the prices are quite low, besides prime CDG slots maybe included

For a start MNL is A380 capable airport.




IF your question was meant for PAL to operate them, the answer to that would be very unlikely. The airline already said that it was too big for them.  By the way, slot was never the problem, runway congestion is.

If the question meant for A380 to operate around that time, the answer would be yes. In fact, EK can already do that on their midnight run.

As to why the A380 is not allowed by the CAAP to fly in congested Manila airport all day long has this for an answer. This is the reason why taxiway has to be empty. That is if we always follow airport guidance.



In its proving flight to the Philippines however, you can see A320 traffic on the taxiway. So I would like to think the separation has more to do with the weather.



As to why there is no A380 yet on the midnight run, well they just secured extra four flights in the morning out of MNL for a total of 18 flights a week to DXB.

According to Barry Brown, senior vice-president for Emirates’ Commercial Operations East, B77w is enough for now, coupled with extra flights to Cebu and Clark. But in 2019 we should expect this bird doing the midnight run. Also almost all A380 arrival and departure from LTP happens around this period of time, save for one Qantas emergency that saw this bird very much early in the evening.

Meanwhile, we can enjoy this video

[Arianespace]

Perhaps this news might interest forumers here

CX just axed its fourth daily flight from HKG to LAX. Its now down to 21x a week.

It has been discussed previously that there were a substantial number of connecting traffic between MNL and LAX via HKG.

With the advent of the second daily PR flight this was anticipated. Well, the same thing that happen to DXB since PR and 5J started flying to the middle east.

[Solblanc]

Well, CX for the longest time was the de facto international carrier of the Philippines. They heavily invested in us as if we were their domestic market.

Now that there's even a CEB-LAX route, that kinda constrains Cathay's advantage of providing one-stop connections to Manila and Cebu.

But Cathay is also fading because Hong Kong is also fading. They'll always be a relatively rich city, but the days of Hong Kong being the gateway to China is no longer holding up as mainland Chinese cities are taking center stage.

[seven13]

Didn't it also happen to RUH?

I've also been seeing negative feedback on CX's service. People say their service has gone bad over the years.

More people might turn against CX once its 10-abreast Y class 777 comes into service.

[tigz]

In light of the penetration of China Eastern in the mainland US and Canada, I would stick my loyalty to CX if their fares drop down a $100; between CX and the other Chinese Airline, I will still pick the former, even to par with AC. Just had a good experience with them in on time service and accommodations in times of interruptions!

[tigz]

In light of the penetration of China Eastern in the mainland US and Canada, I would stick my loyalty to CX if their fares drop down a $100; between CX and the other Chinese Airline, I will still pick the former, even to par with AC. Just had a good experience with them in on time service and accommodations in times of interruptions!

[maortega15]

tigz wrote

In light of the penetration of China Eastern in the mainland US and Canada, I would stick my loyalty to CX if their fares drop down a $100; between CX and the other Chinese Airline, I will still pick the former, even to par with AC. Just had a good experience with them in on time service and accommodations in times of interruptions!

One of the most important factors is the safety record. CX still has a fantastic safety record despite the service having gone down hill. I would also say HKG is a much better hub to connect in rather than PVG. HK is still a global city.

[seven13]

Oh definitely CX over mainland Chinese carriers. BR or CI over them, too!
Transferring in PVG or PEK wouldn't be on my priority list, nor being on any Chinese carrier. I would pick CX over MU and CA anytime, but I would like to try what my former company, CZ, offers. Plus, transferring in HK is less stressful than the former 2 airports.  

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[Solblanc]

Intrepid just announced that PAL will be leasing two more 77Ws for delivery in December this year. Does PAL really need the extra lift? Or does this have anything to do with other airlines experiencing A350 delays? Is it a long-term lease? And what will the product look like?

[Arianespace]

It adds up alright. Our discussion to this was way back 2015.

See this.

Arianespace wrote

These Intrepid public disclosure is really confusing now. PAL says one way while lessor says another. I don't know which is which. The LOI's is dated 31.3.15 and announcement was made in June. At least one thing is certain now. The aircraft lessor that was in MNL in March prior to the A350 arrival was from Intrepid.

Could it be that there were amendments to this deal? Particularly changes in delivery schedules and/or two extra plane rumored to be floating around? Or is it still the same considering this clause:

 There can be no assurance that we will acquire these aircraft, enter into a definitive lease for the aircraft or that the actual monthly contractual rent provided for in any such LOI will equal the expected monthly contractual rent. Lease revenue relating to the aircraft is dependent on delivery of the aircraft.

Options perhaps?

Something really doesn't add up.

[Solblanc]

The delivery is pretty close. But if they're going to reconfigure the 77Ws, now is the time.

But with the deliveries, even without the A350s coming in, this makes the A340 fleet grossly underutilized. Will the A340s be retired a little earlier? Aside from CEB-LAX and MNL-LHR, 10 77Ws can pretty much handle the current long-haul schedule. The A340s could potentially be used to start routes in Europe, but will they? Europe expansion is something that they always talk about but they never do.

[seven13]

They are quite short of B777 now. PR112 has been utilizing A340 since the winter schedule because of the reintroduction of PR116 2X a week. B777 are being rotated once in a while to HND and BKK, on rare occasions to HKG. ORD might be on the line for N.A.

Maybe a gradual retirement for the A340 once the 2 B777 starts service.

[chowpau]

my hunch will be for Cebu Hub with additional frequency or another U.S. destination (SFO perhaps?) using A340

[maortega15]

Just do what Cathay did with their A340's that were on its last legs, put it on regional runs while the 77W does long haul. Eliminate the GUM stop on the LAX and SFO to MNL runs. If they plan to use the 77W to LAX from CEB, eliminate the GUM stop as well.

Any idea on loads to and from CEB and LAX? Would a 777 be too big?

[seven13]

GUM tech stop has long been discontinued. Westbound flights has been operating nonstop since SMC took over PR 4-5 years ago.