Airlines In The Philippines III

[xzibit31]

Evodesire wrote

However, the 12 A350-1000s will replace all 777s. Now if the BOD does not approve the 80+ new planes, then I guess the Tans are hopeless. However, the lessors who have stakes in PAL should approve and be happy for this. Such order will mean more moolah for them.

Hopefully they will have a consistent hard product and do away with the mid east config, australia config, etc. One Config for all long haul and mid haul product.

I also don't see that PR will be an all Airbus Fleet. There will be a Boeing the the fleet one way or another....

[airline_builder]

xzibit31 wrote

Evodesire wrote

However, the 12 A350-1000s will replace all 777s. Now if the BOD does not approve the 80+ new planes, then I guess the Tans are hopeless. However, the lessors who have stakes in PAL should approve and be happy for this. Such order will mean more moolah for them.

Hopefully they will have a consistent hard product and do away with the mid east config, australia config, etc. One Config for all long haul and mid haul product.

I also don't see that PR will be an all Airbus Fleet. There will be a Boeing the the fleet one way or another....

Totally in agreement with you. To be very honest, regardless of fleet type or even how old it may be, for the People's sake "JUST HAVE A CONSISTENT" hard product on board - that is basically all that is all about. Any passengers regardless of nationality or demographic should they wish to connect on a PAL flight will not be blasted with "this is not what I paid for!"

I believe this is what needs to be said like a broken record to the BOD - passengers are not as ignorant anymore perhaps like what the up and mighty are thinking at their executive confines, "puede na yan, kokonti lang naman nag reklamo, iilan lang mga yan"

Again, PAL's soft product at least onboard are doing their very best and consistent at that - these are the Cabin Crew and Flight Deck. As for the airport personnel - boy they need intensive orientation and training.

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

5J will be launching MNL-CNX this October

https://insiderph.com/cebu-pacific-launches-direct-flights-from-manila-to-chiang-mai

[JNC03]

Since PAL said that Stan is misquoted, the media continues to amplify the news saying that PAL will make a huge order.

Is Stan state this things in purpose to pressure the BOD due to the perception of the general public that will make a huge order even in reality it will not reach 50 aircraft?

[JNC03]

[airline_builder]

JNC03 wrote

Since PAL said that Stan is misquoted, the media continues to amplify the news saying that PAL will make a huge order.

Is Stan state this things in purpose to pressure the BOD due to the perception of the general public that will make a huge order even in reality it will not reach 50 aircraft?

 a reflection of the state of the airline from the executives pedestals

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

Hope our carriers would get the E2 and A220 jets especially for regional international routes that produce low yield

[Arianespace]

JNC03 wrote

Is Stan state this things in purpose to pressure the BOD due to the perception of the general public that will make a huge order even in reality it will not reach 50 aircraft?

Yes. Because its forthcoming. Meaning, it would be ordered eventually. It always does. But not at this point in time. Because financial funding for all of them is not completed yet. They will soon. And even if it does not reach 50 aircraft, its value together with the other 25 ordered aircraft is more than that signed by CEB. Because there is still the 3rd trance, the rest of the narrow re-fleet also forthcoming from 2032. Its huge.

See, they are not sleeping.

[JNC03]

So they will replace the refurb A321ceos by that time which is in 2032? will they add more neos aside from the 13.

They can reserve their slots now and not worry about the rest of the payments because it will be charged on the next decade already.

Having more narrows aside from the remaining 13 A321neos are needed on 2030s due to the retirement of the A321ceo on that time. And delivery slots for those years are widely available right now.

[airline_builder]

JNC03 wrote

So they will replace the refurb A321ceos by that time which is in 2032? will they add more neos aside from the 13.

They can reserve their slots now and not worry about the rest of the payments because it will be charged on the next decade already.

Having more narrows aside from the remaining 13 A321neos are needed on 2030s due to the retirement of the A321ceo on that time. And delivery slots for those years are widely available right now.

wow 2032 - that is eons from now in aviation timeline and global movement

[JNC03]

Under PALex?

[AnonBoy]

JNC03 wrote

Under PALex?

definitely under PALex. Looks like PALEx is looking to expand into more regional markets

[seven13]

AnonBoy wrote

JNC03 wrote

Under PALex?

definitely under PALex. Looks like PALEx is looking to expand into more regional markets

Taking load off PR aircraft, seems like to me.

[Solblanc]

Cebu Pacific is increasing MEL to 4x weekly

PAL won’t make MEL a consistent daily flight. Well, 5J is encroaching on their turf. The bilateral is limited through seat capacity, not frequencies. Cebpac is gonna corner all those seats with their insanely dense widebodies.

[xzibit31]

5J just opened a bunch of flights out DVO.
Starting late October and early November


DVO-TAC T-Th-Sa 3:40 pm- 5:05 pm return 5:35 pm-7 pm

DVO-MPH- daily 11:30 am-1:05 pm return 1:30 pm-3:00 pm

DVO-PPS daily  7:00 pm-8:40 pm return 9:10 pm-10:50 pm

DVO-DMK- M-W-F
4:55 pm-8:30 pm return 9:15 pm -2:52 AM next day…

[meronbopis]

With Wamos specifically contracted to do MNL-SYD, MNL-MEL routes, why would PAL opt to have an A330-300 sitting on the ground for two of the seven days?  It is unlikely that these birds (or Wamos staff) can be flown to any other PAL network as they would need to be certified for flying there correct (even as backup/operational reserve)- eg, South Korea regulations that certain flag numbers are registered/approved for operations on any route to/from Korea.  

If you are wet leasing, not sure why you would not fully utilize the aircraft or let it sit on the stands when it can be flying?

[JNC03]

Airlines here in the philippines should consider including this kind of seat specially LCCs

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

Let's see with CebPac when they acquire AirSwift

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

Speaking of India, GoAir actually liquidated. Since they have 128 A320 NEOs (56 in operation and 72 delivery slots). Would PAL or our LCC carriers try to acquire?

[JNC03]

5J already acquired some A320neos from them

Other indian carriers might take their slots like IndiGo which has a lot of orders for the neos