Airlines In The Philippines III

[Evodesire]

What I have picked up is Collin Aerospace for J class. So I'm wondering if these will be the Super Diamond seats.

[Solblanc]

Evodesire wrote

What I have picked up is Collin Aerospace for J class. So I'm wondering if these will be the Super Diamond seats.

Super diamond is already obsolete. They’re now offering either elevation suites, which MAS is debuting on their A330NEOs and the newer elements suite, which is what starlux is using.

Articles online mentioned though that elements needed more lead time vs elevation. In any case, doored suites are the future, and it’ll be a bit of a regression if they settle for the super diamond of the previous gen, or worse, simple diamond

[JNC03]

Almost three million travelers may have to fly out from Clark to reach island destinations like Coron and Siargao if the government proceeds with the plan to push turboprops out of NAIA.

Turboprops – the aircraft they assign to land in airports with shorter runways – may leave NAIA grounds soon based on recent negotiations with the government.

Cebu Pacific president and chief commercial officer Alexander Lao said the government also has to invest in the upgrade of regional airports to make their runways capable of accommodating bigger jets like Airbus A320s in replacement of the turboprop.

“Cebu Pacific is aware that there have been consultations on the removal of turboprop operations in NAIA. We need to see the final policy first before we can fully comment on the same, but we are hopeful general aviation is fully removed,” Lao said.

Likewise, flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) warned that taking turboprops out of NAIA may disrupt the recovery story of domestic tourism. PAL executive vice president and general counsel Carlos Luis Fernandez said some travelers may be discouraged to book flights if they are forced to depart from Clark.

Fortunately, the government understands the risk of clearing NAIA of turboprops, and it plans to invest in runway upgrades for provincial airports to improve their capacity.


https://www.philstar.com/business/2024/07/29/2373650/island-flights-may-soon-take-clark-airport

[Arianespace]

JNC03 wrote

Almost three million travelers may have to fly out from Clark to reach island destinations like Coron and Siargao if the government proceeds with the plan to push turboprops out of NAIA.

Turboprops – the aircraft they assign to land in airports with shorter runways – may leave NAIA grounds soon based on recent negotiations with the government.

https://www.philstar.com/business/2024/07/29/2373650/island-flights-may-soon-take-clark-airport

What a surprised. Not exactly. Told ya

Cebu Pacific president and chief commercial officer Alexander Lao said the government also has to invest in the upgrade of regional airports to make their runways capable of accommodating bigger jets like Airbus A320s in replacement of the turboprop.

or, the cheaper way

Fortunately, the government understands the risk of clearing NAIA of turboprops,

No they are not. Its the only way to grow. Deal with it or prepare to get stuck on the taxiway waiting for your stand to clear. Wait, is it not happening now? Travel and behold...

[JNC03]

If the runways are upgraded E190 and A220 is the way to go specially on regional routes with thin demand. It will also open intl flights from provinces bypassing Manila.

5J wants genav out and upgrade runways for their A320s while PAL will resist since they tested it before and they go back to MNL again

[Evodesire]

Solblanc wrote

Evodesire wrote

What I have picked up is Collin Aerospace for J class. So I'm wondering if these will be the Super Diamond seats.

Super diamond is already obsolete. They’re now offering either elevation suites, which MAS is debuting on their A330NEOs and the newer elements suite, which is what starlux is using.

Articles online mentioned though that elements needed more lead time vs elevation. In any case, doored suites are the future, and it’ll be a bit of a regression if they settle for the super diamond of the previous gen, or worse, simple diamond

Knowing PAL now, that's where they might be heading. Sorry to be so negative about them lately. I was really turned-off by how they configured those A330s. Really stupid. You have the "Middle East Class" then the "Oceania class" and then the "domestic class", instead of just offering a more consistent product with IFEs.

And speaking of what Ariane said about the family intervening, I got word from a "source" that it is true, the downfall of PAL is really the family, especially that their old ways are back. Way during JJBs time, you had less intervening. Then all of a sudden that kapitan is no longer active and too old at this time, you have family issues coming in. And its true that they cannot move-on from what happened in 1998, without them realizing that that is where they are heading again if the family continues on with their old traditional and conservative ways.

[Arianespace]

JNC03 wrote

If the runways are upgraded E190 and A220 is the way to go specially on regional routes with thin demand.

This is correct assessment. Actually its no brainer, and both CEB and PAL are aware of the capabilities of the E2 and the A220 on small airports to which we have plenty. And of course, both aircraft are jet powered bigger than the turboprop and smaller than the bus.

[Arianespace]

Cattle Class, the original 440 seater 878x was actually the idea of SMC for middle east operations. They were meant to fly DXB, DOH, RUH, DMM, AUH, JED, and KWI. They were not meant to be operated by PAL but GAP. Low cost. In fact, GAP flew DXB before it was taken over by PAL. It was not CEB that pioneered the low cost route but GAP.

[Solblanc]

Arianespace wrote

Cattle Class, the original 440 seater 878x was actually the idea of SMC for middle east operations. They were meant to fly DXB, DOH, RUH, DMM, AUH, JED, and KWI. They were not meant to be operated by PAL but GAP. Low cost. In fact, GAP flew DXB before it was taken over by PAL. It was not CEB that pioneered the low cost route but GAP.

The problem is that the cattle class doesn’t stay in the Middle East. It seeps into other routes. If they just did domestic rotations, that’s fine, but they’re horrifying people in regional stations. And before the wamos stopgap, they even inflicted these planes to the Australian market, which expected premium cabins.

And they doubled down on the cattle class. They didn’t even take the lead of Corsair’s a330neo, which had PTV’s in its 9-abreast layout. A321s are supposedly getting PTV’s while perfectly good A330s were gutted of them.

If Cebpac ever decides to make a full-service subsidiary once they acquire airswift, PAL is in big trouble.

[Solblanc]

Arianespace wrote

JNC03 wrote

If the runways are upgraded E190 and A220 is the way to go specially on regional routes with thin demand.

This is correct assessment. Actually its no brainer, and both CEB and PAL are aware of the capabilities of the E2 and the A220 on small airports to which we have plenty. And of course, both aircraft are jet powered bigger than the turboprop and smaller than the bus.

The E2s capabilities were recently improved; with 3000nm range, the E2 can open up even more routes. Phuket, Darwin, Vientiane, we could see some interesting city pairs open up

[Evodesire]

Solblanc wrote

Arianespace wrote

Cattle Class, the original 440 seater 878x was actually the idea of SMC for middle east operations. They were meant to fly DXB, DOH, RUH, DMM, AUH, JED, and KWI. They were not meant to be operated by PAL but GAP. Low cost. In fact, GAP flew DXB before it was taken over by PAL. It was not CEB that pioneered the low cost route but GAP.

The problem is that the cattle class doesn’t stay in the Middle East. It seeps into other routes. If they just did domestic rotations, that’s fine, but they’re horrifying people in regional stations. And before the wamos stopgap, they even inflicted these planes to the Australian market, which expected premium cabins.

And they doubled down on the cattle class. They didn’t even take the lead of Corsair’s a330neo, which had PTV’s in its 9-abreast layout. A321s are supposedly getting PTV’s while perfectly good A330s were gutted of them.

If Cebpac ever decides to make a full-service subsidiary once they acquire airswift, PAL is in big trouble.

Really disgusting. Middle East countries like Dubai, Qatar, and Riyadh are slowly becoming tourist destinations. People traveling to those countries won't only be OFWs, but possible tourists too. Its just a shame that PAL decided to configure a plane with SMC interiors for the OFWs and then they have those tri-class A330s with IFEs for Aussie routes. Then they will say "OFWs are our heroes". Why not just give the OFWs the same product offering as what the Aussie flights are getting. Maybe they could have just removed those PE seats, reduced J class seats, and increased ECY seats while using the same seats with IFEs.

And I agree about Cebpac having a full service subsidiary. Somehow sick and tired of PAL's mediocre mindset. I used to be so proud of PAL especially when they received those awards in 2019 and they got the 4th star. Now medyo nakakahiya talaga sila.

How I want PAL to have a direct local competitor. I sense 5J is up to something. First, they collaborate with SMC, claiming for improved airport services. I doubt its only just that. Then you have 5J planning to buy AirSwift. Kinda makes me really think somethings up. There are a lot of rumors about RSA putting up an airline. Then again, where there is smoke, there is a fire.

[Evodesire]

Solblanc wrote

Arianespace wrote

Cattle Class, the original 440 seater 878x was actually the idea of SMC for middle east operations. They were meant to fly DXB, DOH, RUH, DMM, AUH, JED, and KWI. They were not meant to be operated by PAL but GAP. Low cost. In fact, GAP flew DXB before it was taken over by PAL. It was not CEB that pioneered the low cost route but GAP.

The problem is that the cattle class doesn’t stay in the Middle East. It seeps into other routes. If they just did domestic rotations, that’s fine, but they’re horrifying people in regional stations. And before the wamos stopgap, they even inflicted these planes to the Australian market, which expected premium cabins.

I remember Ariane sharing that one ME A330 was used to fly MNL-ICN-LAX. Imagine the reaction of the passengers, after paying skyrocket fares.

[airline_builder]

Evodesire wrote

Solblanc wrote

Arianespace wrote

Cattle Class, the original 440 seater 878x was actually the idea of SMC for middle east operations. They were meant to fly DXB, DOH, RUH, DMM, AUH, JED, and KWI. They were not meant to be operated by PAL but GAP. Low cost. In fact, GAP flew DXB before it was taken over by PAL. It was not CEB that pioneered the low cost route but GAP.

The problem is that the cattle class doesn’t stay in the Middle East. It seeps into other routes. If they just did domestic rotations, that’s fine, but they’re horrifying people in regional stations. And before the wamos stopgap, they even inflicted these planes to the Australian market, which expected premium cabins.

And they doubled down on the cattle class. They didn’t even take the lead of Corsair’s a330neo, which had PTV’s in its 9-abreast layout. A321s are supposedly getting PTV’s while perfectly good A330s were gutted of them.

If Cebpac ever decides to make a full-service subsidiary once they acquire airswift, PAL is in big trouble.

Really disgusting. Middle East countries like Dubai, Qatar, and Riyadh are slowly becoming tourist destinations. People traveling to those countries won't only be OFWs, but possible tourists too. Its just a shame that PAL decided to configure a plane with SMC interiors for the OFWs and then they have those tri-class A330s with IFEs for Aussie routes. Then they will say "OFWs are our heroes". Why not just give the OFWs the same product offering as what the Aussie flights are getting. Maybe they could have just removed those PE seats, reduced J class seats, and increased ECY seats while using the same seats with IFEs.

And I agree about Cebpac having a full service subsidiary. Somehow sick and tired of PAL's mediocre mindset. I used to be so proud of PAL especially when they received those awards in 2019 and they got the 4th star. Now medyo nakakahiya talaga sila.

How I want PAL to have a direct local competitor. I sense 5J is up to something. First, they collaborate with SMC, claiming for improved airport services. I doubt its only just that. Then you have 5J planning to buy AirSwift. Kinda makes me really think somethings up. There are a lot of rumors about RSA putting up an airline. Then again, where there is smoke, there is a fire.

and there you are........and we are suppose to be too negative or too agitating towards PAL. Read, Understand and Repeat.

thank you

[JNC03]

Philippine Airlines is planning to buy a large number of planes with the demand for travel expected to rise further, PAL President and Chief Operating Officer Stanley Ng said on Tuesday.

He said the order is being considered and that it may be announced in the future.

Ng said the company actually planned to do a study on aircraft order last year, however it got delayed. But it’s definitely still being eyed especially as new airports are being constructed and tourism is also expected to grow in the coming years.

“Last year we were supposed to study and make a longer-term plan because with all the developments in our country as well. There will be a new airport, new capacity will come in. We have to prepare for that. We have to be ready. We can’t order planes when the airport is already online. It’s thinking ahead also,” Ng told ABS-CBN.

Asked if it will be about 100 aircraft, Ng said the flag carrier still has pending orders, "but if you add those pending orders, maybe around that number.”

PAL has so far ordered 9 wide-body A350-1000 jets with an option to add 3 more for its long-haul flights. The first aircraft will be delivered next year. While 13 A321 neo aircraft are also expected to arrive starting mid 2026.


https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/2024/7/30/pal-mulls-buying-around-100-planes-1756?#uafzlgd3atj

[Evodesire]

Is this the pasabog which Ariane has been telling us to wait for?

[Solblanc]

Evodesire wrote

Is this the pasabog which Ariane has been telling us to wait for?

If so, it’s kind of a sad pasabog. Captain Stan just admitted that they had no plan for the past few years, and that they’re just making it up as they go along.  

[Evodesire]

Solblanc wrote

Evodesire wrote

Is this the pasabog which Ariane has been telling us to wait for?

If so, it’s kind of a sad pasabog. Captain Stan just admitted that they had no plan for the past few years, and that they’re just making it up as they go along.

I think this has always been a trend in PAL. What CebPac does, they do. I believe Ariane also said this a few days ago. Now you can clearly see who the gamechanger really is.

[JNC03]

If the current pending orders are added the total is 25
*the addtl A35K option is included

Lets say they will 20-30 narrowbody and 20-25 widebody

The total is 80, its around near 100

They can modify the quantities to reach 90

[peterpiloto]

Evodesire wrote

Solblanc wrote

Arianespace wrote

Cattle Class, the original 440 seater 878x was actually the idea of SMC for middle east operations. They were meant to fly DXB, DOH, RUH, DMM, AUH, JED, and KWI. They were not meant to be operated by PAL but GAP. Low cost. In fact, GAP flew DXB before it was taken over by PAL. It was not CEB that pioneered the low cost route but GAP.

The problem is that the cattle class doesn’t stay in the Middle East. It seeps into other routes. If they just did domestic rotations, that’s fine, but they’re horrifying people in regional stations. And before the wamos stopgap, they even inflicted these planes to the Australian market, which expected premium cabins.

I remember Ariane sharing that one ME A330 was used to fly MNL-ICN-LAX. Imagine the reaction of the passengers, after paying skyrocket fares.

I remember it was 8766 who did the sub, back when 7781 was damaged. That was before the pandemic

[Evodesire]

Possible also of 45-35, narrowbodies dominating the order. Or 40-40. I hope this time, they will have a more consistent product. Enough of "Middle East / OFW config", "Aussie config" and so forth.