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There is a public story and then there is an inside story. First, the public story
And lastly, the inside story, PAL offices, maintenance services, to catering, to banking, to part supplies, were taken away from LT group because they were expensive. SMC for example went to China for maintenance away from LTP. That got the ire of his children who were mad when RSA did that. RSA was in all his rights. Even if SMC was minority, they held up management control. It was the proper thing to do. PAL ended on a positive note that year. And this is where it became interesting, Remember the 10 options for the A330 which got reduced to 5, the 5 would have been the acquisition of either A359 or B789 for the LHR market. That would have put the LT group to a deeper financial hole, as it entails another billion dollars. In short, LT group refused that plan, even if it was previously agreed a year before. LT group was sabotaging SMC decision. The reason cited was just a flimsy excuse but good enough justification to buy peace. As early as January 2013, RSA has decided to buy Boeing. Decision to buy Airbus A359 was made in 2014 as a compromise. Again to buy peace. SMC management decision. But that wasn't meant to be, as LT group reneged on that commitment, thus the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Straight from RSA's mouth.
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81 and 82 are already modified tri-class. The current triclass are 80, 86, 83 and 89 but 83 is currently in CRK. 81 and 82 underwent densification in CRK if I’m not mistaken. |
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wasn't 80 and 82 the first one to be reconfigured to the denser seating? |
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Personally I don't know which one is which. Those facts were just provided to me. Never been close to those planes. And as far as I know, only two frames were approved for densification after chapter 11. I could be wrong, or the person providing the data could also be wrong. Apologies if mistake has been made.
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That was my previous impression. Apparently they were not made.
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It was 82 if I’m not mistaken then followed by 81. It was done in CRK for around 3mos? Those were the times PR had to cxl SYD/MEL on some days or the 777 subs for A333 to SYD. HNL will also be frequently delayed by 2-3hrs.
Good thing only 2 frames were approved for densification. 81 and 82 mainly flies to DXB or DOH, DMM and RUH gets them sometimes. |
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Just notified the guy. Mali daw sinabi ko.
They have four variants of the A330. Not 2 variants. My impression was there was only two, the middle east liner with 3-3-3, and the OZ liner with 2-4-2. The only thing that was correct with my statement is one variant has 363 seats, while the other has 309 seats, which conforms to my earlier statement. So I said tama pa rin. Hindi daw. Accordingly they have 4 variants 363 2 Y341-J18 66, 71 363 3 Y345-J18 63, 64, 65 363 2 Y312-W33-J18 81, 83 309 4 Y267-W24-J18 86, 89, 80, 82 total 11 So I think that settles the issue.
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No biggie, Arianespace. Minute details to regular passengers, only avgeeks will be interested down to the last detail 😂
In a few months time, PR cabin crew will be flying Wamos’ A332. A set of PR cabin crew is currently undergoing EASA safety certification to be able to operate the Wamos aircraft. The reason I heard is SYD/MEL CSAT declined. It must be significant triggering PR to go this route. They call it damp lease. First time hearing it. Flight deck will most likely be operated by Wamos crew. |
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Or could this be an indication of longer lease terms for Wamos to agree to damp leases? Damps are usually medium term while wets are short ones.
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I’m inclined to believe, yes. 4 triclass A330 is not enough to serve SYD/MEL + HNL unless they utilize a B777 regularly but SEA is coming online soon.
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Also, damps requires re-registration of aircraft to PH registry according to PH civil aviation regulations. On the same note, they can also fly SEA. How convenient
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This is interesting. But having only 2 A332 is not enough to cover SYD/MEL + SEA. Intensive training has started since last week or just early this week. |
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Actually, we are not bound by EASA safety certification. We passed EASA audit already and there was no news that we are blacklisted again. That safety certification crap is already suspicious as it applies only for flight to the EU. Unless, there is more to it than meets the eye. LHR easily comes to my mind. And Wamos has 4 A322s. Easily can fly there, and SEA.
If that is the case, we don't have to worry about AKL too!
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Sorry, not 100% sure if it's EASA certification for cabin crew but it's a license for PAL crew to be able to operate the Wamos aircraft. License issued by EU regulatory.
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Here is the EU regulation on lease aircraft from EU carriers.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/Consolidated%20unofficial%20AMC&GM_Annex%20III%20Part-ORO.pdf Wamos Air is EU carrier with Spain AOC, so it applies to them, particularly the cabin crew (covers aircraft, crew, maintenance, insurance). Making it damp (aircraft, flight crew only) does not make it applicable to lessee's cabin crew, unless they fly to EU destination themselves, as they are governed by PH AOC when operating to Oz. Does not make sense really if it is just limited to that time frame and that particular destinations. And here is the version of the Australian's on wet leases, https://www.casa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2024-01/principle-ops-24-aircraft-leasing-arrangements.pdf Apparently, wet leases is valid only for 90 days for a 12 month period. PAL applied for 150 days. Interesting development. If I may add, CEB leases A320 from Bulgaria Air (EU country) also on damp leases. But its cabin crew never did undertake the EASA bruhaha. Basically because they have PH AOC, not EU AOC. Perhaps there is a better explanation for this.
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speaking of SEA, and 77W... when will 84 arrive? wasn't it meant to augment the 77Ws for SEA? |
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Yep, the added wifi antenna was the clue on 82 & 81 |
What would be best to bridge the gap with the current state PAL is in?
Reconfiguration takes average 3 mons plus the cost on whatever upgrades of seat brands and its inclusions like IFE etc., or order bulks of aircraft sit it out, since payment usually happens upon delivery so that can serve as a saving grace to save up for the carrier? I cannot tell (well from a professional airline personnel point of view I actually can) where the direction of the puppet CEO aka the board of directors are headed. thoughts anyone? let us not call out the 321c reconfig and upgrade since it is already in the press. |
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It seems they are already bridging the gap based on our discussions above
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Airbus is closing in on a preliminary deal with Philippine budget airline Cebu Air for dozens of narrow-body jets to be announced in the coming days, three people familiar with the matter said on Friday. Cebu Air, which operates as Cebu Pacific, and Airbus both declined to comment on any commercial discussions.
The airline has been looking to order 100-150 narrow-body jets from Boeing or Airbus worth up to $12 billion at list prices, in what was seen as potentially the Philippines' largest jet purchase. Two of the people said the deal involved 70 jets, including a number of A321neo models. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/airbus-nears-initial-deal-cebu-70-jets-sources-say-4443341 |
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