Airlines In The Philippines III

[seven13]

Arianespace wrote

SitaonAir (Inmarsat) wifi powering MyPal was never available on A330 before. Judging from the dome antenna it appears they are already installed also on the tri-class A330. For the economy, while there is no back seat, there is always BYOD. If you don't have one you can always ask for ipad. I don't have experience on the middle east flight so i can't tell on the IFE. I can however say the internet works on the A350 flight to JFK. Tried it once.



PAL is using Aerohub software for its wireless IFE.

Yes, mypal is (was) available only with the ceos if I’m not mistaken. The triclass A330 used to have wifi but it was stripped off (or deactivated) during the pandemic. The current ac with wifi are the A21N non acf, B777 and the A350. Wished PR would install all ac with wifi to make up for the lack of entertainment on other aircraft. I’m not sure with the ACF is it has wifi onboard

Nopes, for the Ceos and 876x+81/82, ipads are not available for ecy, still byod. Meanwhile, for bcl, it’s upon request. I would actually bring my own rather than borrowing (if needed).

[romantic_guy08]

Arianespace wrote

SitaonAir (Inmarsat) wifi powering MyPal was never available on A330 before. Judging from the dome antenna it appears they are already installed also on the tri-class A330. For the economy, while there is no back seat, there is always BYOD. If you don't have one you can always ask for ipad. I don't have experience on the middle east flight so i can't tell on the IFE. I can however say the internet works on the A350 flight to JFK. Tried it once.



PAL is using Aerohub software for its wireless IFE.

WI-FI wasn't working on the 77Ws as well... flew 74 and 82 last year to AU and they were not working...

[airline_builder]

if the BYOD becomes comfortable for PAL then makes zero difference to an LCC - the airline is really being managed like a thrift store by the TAN Family

[Arianespace]

Well, they are heading in that direction, if Skytrak rating is any indication. I won't be surprise if they list beyond the best 100 next year.

seven13 wrote

The triclass A330 used to have wifi but it was stripped off (or deactivated) during the pandemic.

Their satellite internet connection was disconnected at the height of receivership. My trip to NY was after C11, so they re-connected.  I don't know however the current state if they are working on all L band installed aircraft. Based on this post apparently they are not.

romantic_guy08 wrote

WI-FI wasn't working on the 77Ws as well... flew 74 and 82 last year to AU and they were not working...

[Evodesire]

Spoke to a retired PAL employee. She said the airline had that same problem (too much Tan family intervention) until it was somehow solved, and it came back in 2019. She also feels that's what's holding PAL from becoming a world class airline. Family affairs and matters.

Only way for PAL to get back is for the Tan family to sell PAL to someone else. Or if they don't want to sell PAL, the family should trust their executives and give them a free hand to run it, just the way Lance Gokongwei trusts his executives to run Cebu Pacific.

[Solblanc]

Sometimes I feel like I have to take a step back and wonder why I’m so invested in our flag carrier. I don’t own shares of PAL holdings.

I don’t even fly PAL. I’ve taken them once long-haul in my adult life. As a kid, I used to fly on their 742 milk runs to Europe, but when EK started flying between Europe and Manila, and with PTVs all the way in the early 1990s, they were really the better choice, even when the A340s started flying nonstop before the financial crisis.

Pero jusmiyo, throughout the 90’s and 00’s, there was always a question of if PAL would get PTVs. I can’t believe it’s 2024 and we’re still wondering if PAL is getting PTVs.

It’s sayang. I travel long-haul J 2-4 times a year on routes that PAL can serve. But Mabuhay Miles does nothing for me. NAIA is not comfortable to transit in. The J product is inconsistent, and the cabins aren’t big, so downgrades are something to be scared of. Schedules aren’t great (though this is more of a MNL congestion issue). So my entire adult life, I’ve given my business to oneworld. They were good to patronize when I was a broke student (CX would give me op-ups to J to Asia miles members), and now that I can afford to buy J tickets, they continue to get my business. I can’t imagine switching my flying patterns to PAL.

It makes me wonder, what is PAL’s market? And is it growing or shrinking? At any cost level, why would anyone choose PAL over the alternatives? On the higher end, I’m not flying them. And I’m not gonna waste a status-earning long-haul trip on them. On the lower end, why fly them if Cebu Pacific is available? Or even Jetstar or Air Asia or Scoot?

They made money during the revenge travel season. Hooray. Now they have to keep the money coming in consistently. We may not like their current choices, but here’s hoping that they at least keep the airline in the black while it figures out its direction

[airline_builder]

Evodesire wrote

Spoke to a retired PAL employee. She said the airline had that same problem (too much Tan family intervention) until it was somehow solved, and it came back in 2019. She also feels that's what's holding PAL from becoming a world class airline. Family affairs and matters.

Only way for PAL to get back is for the Tan family to sell PAL to someone else. Or if they don't want to sell PAL, the family should trust their executives and give them a free hand to run it, just the way Lance Gokongwei trusts his executives to run Cebu Pacific.

that is true. In fact was able to sit down with an airline founder from the gulf whom I tossed the idea that PAL needs saving from going down and the person was very much willing to bring in all his resources to make it at par with the ME3 but the hesitation befell on the Family, the Family culture ingrained by the executives, and the flip flopping unionist leaders - the person wanted a clean take over except of course for the operational rank and file but key positions will all need to be re assessed.

It would have been an adventure had the person be more like, yeah ok lets gamble ahahaha

[airline_builder]

Solblanc wrote

Sometimes I feel like I have to take a step back and wonder why I’m so invested in our flag carrier. I don’t own shares of PAL holdings.

I don’t even fly PAL. I’ve taken them once long-haul in my adult life. As a kid, I used to fly on their 742 milk runs to Europe, but when EK started flying between Europe and Manila, and with PTVs all the way in the early 1990s, they were really the better choice, even when the A340s started flying nonstop before the financial crisis.

Pero jusmiyo, throughout the 90’s and 00’s, there was always a question of if PAL would get PTVs. I can’t believe it’s 2024 and we’re still wondering if PAL is getting PTVs.

It’s sayang. I travel long-haul J 2-4 times a year on routes that PAL can serve. But Mabuhay Miles does nothing for me. NAIA is not comfortable to transit in. The J product is inconsistent, and the cabins aren’t big, so downgrades are something to be scared of. Schedules aren’t great (though this is more of a MNL congestion issue). So my entire adult life, I’ve given my business to oneworld. They were good to patronize when I was a broke student (CX would give me op-ups to J to Asia miles members), and now that I can afford to buy J tickets, they continue to get my business. I can’t imagine switching my flying patterns to PAL.

It makes me wonder, what is PAL’s market? And is it growing or shrinking? At any cost level, why would anyone choose PAL over the alternatives? On the higher end, I’m not flying them. And I’m not gonna waste a status-earning long-haul trip on them. On the lower end, why fly them if Cebu Pacific is available? Or even Jetstar or Air Asia or Scoot?

They made money during the revenge travel season. Hooray. Now they have to keep the money coming in consistently. We may not like their current choices, but here’s hoping that they at least keep the airline in the black while it figures out its direction

Do not wonder or question yourself about being invested, to be honest, spoken to various airline executives here and abroad with Filipino roots - everyone is still rooting for PAL, again it is not just an airline it is a heritage not just amongst us but even in Asia as being the first and this is what makes it extremely tragic because the owners are not feeling and treating the airline the same way - running it like a cheap stand alone hardware

[Evodesire]

airline_builder wrote

Do not wonder or question yourself about being invested, to be honest, spoken to various airline executives here and abroad with Filipino roots - everyone is still rooting for PAL, again it is not just an airline it is a heritage not just amongst us but even in Asia as being the first and this is what makes it extremely tragic because the owners are not feeling and treating the airline the same way - running it like a cheap stand alone hardware

PAL right now is being run like a traditional family business, where family matters and affairs get in their way. Unless they breakout from that culture, their is no end in sight.

[Solblanc]

Evodesire wrote

airline_builder wrote

Do not wonder or question yourself about being invested, to be honest, spoken to various airline executives here and abroad with Filipino roots - everyone is still rooting for PAL, again it is not just an airline it is a heritage not just amongst us but even in Asia as being the first and this is what makes it extremely tragic because the owners are not feeling and treating the airline the same way - running it like a cheap stand alone hardware

PAL right now is being run like a traditional family business, where family matters and affairs get in their way. Unless they breakout from that culture, their is no end in sight.

Btw, are the internal family squabbles still there? It's understandable to report to the family, but as I understand, the family themselves are divided on the future direction of the airline. Are they finally just reporting to one person while the rest leave it alone?

[JNC03]

Cebu Pacific signs a memorandum of agreement with Airbus for 152 Airbus A320neo family aircraft.

The deal is composed of 102 A321neo and 50 A320neo. The airline selected Pratt and Whitney GTF engines to power the neos.

The purchase agreement will be finalized by 3Q 2024.

[Arianespace]

Solblanc wrote

Sometimes I feel like I have to take a step back and wonder why I’m so invested in our flag carrier. I don’t own shares of PAL holdings.
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It makes me wonder, what is PAL’s market? And is it growing or shrinking? At any cost level, why would anyone choose PAL over the alternatives? On the higher end, I’m not flying them. And I’m not gonna waste a status-earning long-haul trip on them. On the lower end, why fly them if Cebu Pacific is available? Or even Jetstar or Air Asia or Scoot?

They made money during the revenge travel season. Hooray. Now they have to keep the money coming in consistently. We may not like their current choices, but here’s hoping that they at least keep the airline in the black while it figures out its direction

In fairness, I benefited from Mabuhay miles when I was upgraded twice. Possibly due to overbooking Y at their end. Also got multiple free flights in the past. Travelled CX too multiple times. It turned out a better airline, when they have cup noodles or aroz caldo at Y. They used to have plenty of expat cabin crews then. Nowadays, they are Chinese.

What made me fly PAL aside from the miles? Perhaps the heritage that is associated with it that you can call your own, particularly when you are in a foreign country. I want them to succeed. Even if we are short-changed sometimes.

I've been asking older folks on VFR to the Philippines in the past why they prefer PAL when there are better and much cheaper alternative airlines elsewhere, and the answer surprises you.

Riding PAL is the most efficient transport from A to B. That is all there is to them. They said, "someday tatanda ka rin tulad namin" and walking a mile on transfer is no fun at all. Maintindihan mo rin. Pwede siguro sa mga bata pa but for us its a big comfort already flying straight even if it cost more. IFE is just a bonus. For those who made transfer in Hogkong, Taipei, Tokyo and Seoul, that argument is so true. And if you look at a typical North American flight, most of the passengers are age 60 and above. Tells you the demography PAL is serving on its most profitable route.

Possibly the reason why PAL mindset is that way. According to them the most reklamador PAL passengers are the millennials followed by nineties and eighties group, but they don't comprises the bulk of their passengers. At least not yet. Because they went to the one-stop shop.

[Evodesire]

Cebu Pacific orders 102 A321Ns with purchase rights of 50 more. I hope PAL is now shaken up!

[AB350]

What surprised me is their still sticking with P&W GTF despite the engine issues. But I suspect by that time their delivered it should be resolved at less hopefully!

[Arianespace]

They are contractually bound with PW on the 21n order.

[Arianespace]

JNC03 wrote

Cebu Pacific signs a memorandum of agreement with Airbus for 152 Airbus A320neo family aircraft.

The deal is composed of 102 A321neo and 50 A320neo. The airline selected Pratt and Whitney GTF engines to power the neos.

The purchase agreement will be finalized by 3Q 2024.

Evodesire wrote

Cebu Pacific orders 102 A321Ns with purchase rights of 50 more. I hope PAL is now shaken up!

By Alfred Chua
2 July 2024

Cebu Pacific picks Airbus for up to 152 new narrowbodies

Cebu Pacific has selected Airbus for new narrowbody aircraft, as it signs a memorandum of understanding for the purchase of up to 152 A321neos.
https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/cebu-pacific-picks-airbus-for-up-to-152-new-narrowbodies/158986.article

Not surprise. The engine choice took the drama away

[JNC03]

Lets include this on memories of Boeing's attempt to enter more in the Philippine market

[Evodesire]

Their only hope is PAL. But is there still hope with PAL?

[Arianespace]

There is also a PAL presentation. It would be nice if someone stole a picture of it and post it here.

[JNC03]