Airlines In The Philippines III

[Evodesire]

airline_builder wrote

The post-divorce measure to converting those cargo-like passenger configurations to tri-class was the best thing PAL decided on to do.

And as emphasized here, PAL people must stop bowing out on the mindset that ME3 are hard to compete with and they are being subsidized.... those are given so what now? Co-exist and level up to what is affordable for PAL, the tri-class is quite decent to be honest and again PAL team should stop being stuck in the 70s 80s 90s early 2000s era that MIDEAST are solely OFW market - the travel orientation has gone global all the MIDEAST destinations of PAL specifically Dubai and Riyadh have become not just terminating points but hubs as well. This is why the standard product should be across the board.

People are travelers now regardless of social class and post sales passenger experience based are extremely important.

Totally agree. They are now becoming tourist destinations, like Dubai. Riyadh is going in the same direction, which is why they are opening up.

[Arianespace]

B739 replaces the A320. Not the B73X replacing the A321. And yes, they would be mono

[Arianespace]

airline_builder wrote

Everything you stated here are absolutely on point and I really pray that we have here in the forum a snooty PAL personnel who can actually relay all these things - and yes, an appeal to the TAN Family, just sit back relax and let the airline be managed by people who know the industry by heart and by profession.

PAL peeps read this forum I was told.

[airline_builder]

Evodesire wrote

airline_builder wrote

The post-divorce measure to converting those cargo-like passenger configurations to tri-class was the best thing PAL decided on to do.

And as emphasized here, PAL people must stop bowing out on the mindset that ME3 are hard to compete with and they are being subsidized.... those are given so what now? Co-exist and level up to what is affordable for PAL, the tri-class is quite decent to be honest and again PAL team should stop being stuck in the 70s 80s 90s early 2000s era that MIDEAST are solely OFW market - the travel orientation has gone global all the MIDEAST destinations of PAL specifically Dubai and Riyadh have become not just terminating points but hubs as well. This is why the standard product should be across the board.

People are travelers now regardless of social class and post sales passenger experience based are extremely important.

Totally agree. They are now becoming tourist destinations, like Dubai. Riyadh is going in the same direction, which is why they are opening up.

They need to give 5J its playground of LCC world. PAL needs to stand on its own like what it deems it to be "a legacy national flag carrier"

Besides everything is transacted in the foreign currency so might as well concentrate on markets that speaks the currency as well - the USD.

If anyone has flown regional and medium haul with PAL lately? I have and the catering is really bad even their snack in a carton it is extremely low cost a huge leap to cheapness, and it is sad especially if one always vouch for PAL which I do all the time to my fellow frequent travelers and the disappointing feedback I get are "never again with PAL" and even amongst the industry of business travelers I got to work with.

"utak beho" ok na yan basta may kita; sad but true.

[JNC03]

Will the 737s come from Boeing or lessors?

[airline_builder]

JNC03 wrote

Will the 737s come from Boeing or lessors?

is the B737 seriously on the table at PAL? reliable source?

I have always enjoyed flying on Boeing planes but given how the other manufacturer would grease someone's palm has always been their winning streak  

[Arianespace]

I won't post it here if they were not reliable. Decision however is another matter. None has been made yet. Offer, yes. Acceptance, not yet. By all indications they will be coming from Dublin if ever they are accepted.

[airline_builder]

Arianespace wrote

I won't post it here if they were not reliable. Decision however is another matter. None has been made yet. Offer, yes. Acceptance, not yet. By all indications they will be coming from Dublin if ever they are accepted.

good to hear and thank you

PAL silence is deafening on its plans and goals even in just broad strokes - except being engrossed on their new social media account, and if the latter were the actual existence of the airline, I must say kudos to PAL

[JNC03]

From Dublin

Its cheaper then

[Evodesire]

airline_builder wrote

They need to give 5J its playground of LCC world. PAL needs to stand on its own like what it deems it to be "a legacy national flag carrier"

Besides everything is transacted in the foreign currency so might as well concentrate on markets that speaks the currency as well - the USD.

If anyone has flown regional and medium haul with PAL lately? I have and the catering is really bad even their snack in a carton it is extremely low cost a huge leap to cheapness, and it is sad especially if one always vouch for PAL which I do all the time to my fellow frequent travelers and the disappointing feedback I get are "never again with PAL" and even amongst the industry of business travelers I got to work with.

"utak beho" ok na yan basta may kita; sad but true.

One huge complaint from passengers about PAL is hard product inconsistency. Sometimes, you get a plane with IFEs and sometimes you don't. While us in the community understands why, passengers and customers don't. Especially if you are talking about a market that expects value from what they pay for, and PAL fares are never cheap.

I hope the 81 and 82 more dense cabins with IFEs will work. Best of both worlds. You get a more dense configuration, but still, you have IFEs. If it does, then I hope PAL does the same for the rest.

Any news about the second GA 77W? 7783's IFEs are said to be working already with PAL content. That's good.

[Arianespace]

Actually more expensive than ordering it from Boeing directly. Considering that you jump the order cue. There's a reason why airlines wait because its cheap, and there is also a reason why others are launch customers because they are even cheaper.

[JNC03]

Its cheaper compared to other lessors based outside that country

[seven13]

Sorry, but 81 and 82 has the body of 876X series. All aircraft without in-seat IFE (CEOs, 876X and 81, 82) have wireless entertainment currently available. You can use your own gadgets to connect to the onboard w-ife using the browser. Totally separate from the myPal system. Denser configuration with in-seat IFE would have lessen the blow but yeah…it is what it is.

[Arianespace]

This is correct. I was hoping the new densified 8x should already have IFEC at the back. But according to my source wala daw. Nagbibigay man din sila ng tablet. Yung 321c lang daw lagyan.

[Evodesire]

So how many A330s are left with IFEs? Kinda backward for me.

[seven13]

Evodesire wrote

So how many A330s are left with IFEs? Kinda backward for me.

4 frames. 80, 83, 86, 89.
I haven’t fully browsed the content of the newly installed w-ife but seems like it has slightly better selection versus the mypal player.

It’s nice to have a seatback IFE versus none at all but I personally don’t use it except for the interactive map. I usually download movies I like into my ipad and watch from there. I traveled several medium haul sectors last year and some regionals, I barely watched any movie on the IFE.

[airline_builder]

seven13 wrote

Evodesire wrote

So how many A330s are left with IFEs? Kinda backward for me.

4 frames. 80, 83, 86, 89.
I haven’t fully browsed the content of the newly installed w-ife but seems like it has slightly better selection versus the mypal player.

It’s nice to have a seatback IFE versus none at all but I personally don’t use it except for the interactive map. I usually download movies I like into my ipad and watch from there. I traveled several medium haul sectors last year and some regionals, I barely watched any movie on the IFE.

Lousy part there is the Wi-Fi is not working most of the time. Again, band aid solution by PAL just as not to reduce their take homes.

[seven13]

The mypal system (IFE) conked out after more than a year or 2? Didn’t really used it when I fly with them. I rather sleep or listen to music on my phone after stressful departure formalities in Naia.

The new one is also a wireless server but battery operated. No need for the mypal player app. Just access it via an address on one’s device and you’re connected. Yeah. Looks like another bandaid solution until such time the ceos are refurbished. For the 876X, 81&82, seems like it’s permanent unless they will undergo another refurbishment with IFEs (which I highly doubt).

[AB350]

Those systems aren't reliable from my experience on 1 legs first from last May from MNL-SIN and KUL-MNL last June both flights where operated by the A321ceo! Thank fully I have my Ipad which I pre-downloaded movies into and the first was a redeye som mostly sleep through the flight. But would have been useful on the afternoon/evening flight from KUL to MNL!

Personally if I had the option would have prefer MH even if the flight is operated by the Boeing 737 maybe their streaming IFE would have been more reliable. Also wish PAL would bring back 'Mabuhay Magazine' I really missed those.

[Arianespace]

SitaonAir (Inmarsat) wifi powering MyPal was never available on A330 before. Judging from the dome antenna it appears they are already installed also on the tri-class A330. For the economy, while there is no back seat, there is always BYOD. If you don't have one you can always ask for ipad. I don't have experience on the middle east flight so i can't tell on the IFE. I can however say the internet works on the A350 flight to JFK. Tried it once.



PAL is using Aerohub software for its wireless IFE.