Airlines In The Philippines III

[JNC03]

When will they start to reconfigure the A321ceos

I think that is more exciting compared to what they are doing to the A330s

[romantic_guy08]

Arianespace wrote

yes. tri class 309 seater 2-4-2 abreast. same as other 878x

what planes are they going to use for HNL? the "newer" high density one? or are they going to retain some of the 8x (2-4-2) for HNL?

[seven13]

Seems like 8786 retained the triclass config same with 80 and 89. 86 is scheduled for HNL today, unless there will be last minute aircraft change

[Solblanc]

So, we know there were 8 triclass A330s. Two went to Air Asia, two are reconfigured, and now only four left for SYD/MEL/HNL

With nine A330s having 350+ pax and ten 77Ws having 370+ pax, it’s clear that larger widebodies are the way to go if PAL really is able to fill all of those planes.

Here’s hoping they secure those 78Xs

[Arianespace]

romantic_guy08 wrote

Arianespace wrote

yes. tri class 309 seater 2-4-2 abreast. same as other 878x

what planes are they going to use for HNL? the "newer" high density one? or are they going to retain some of the 8x (2-4-2) for HNL?

Densification loses ability to fly long haul. It would become purely a regional aircraft, except HNL. Four frames (8x) for rotation to Jp, Oz and HNL is enough for their current schedule.

[Arianespace]

It seems Boeing is already offering the heavier variant of the 78X to PAL which causes transition to the larger frame, capable of crossing the Pacific, ie YVR and SEA. A decade ago they were just interested in the smaller sibling. The order was eventually stolen by the Airbus super salesman.

[Arianespace]

JNC03 wrote

When will they start to reconfigure the A321ceos

Good question. 5 of 8 neo planes are on the ground. No reconfiguration required on that frames. Of the c there is only one grounded, 9916. So they are starting with that one.

[JNC03]

Thats the new certified variant for the 78X which will be available soon in time for the lease expiry of the tri class A330s

[airline_builder]

what PAL needs is a strong-willed CEO who can professionally address, justify, and debunk the dictatorship  miniscule mindset on what and how the aviation industry really is.

honestly, even for Cathay Pacific to have incurred more loses than PAL and deteriorated on both service and amenities on board are miraculously on their feet again making it to no. 5 flying mostly old planes the only new ones are their 350s and 321n, so I hope the CEO who is intensely busy seen shopping most of the time at BGC, attending almost all socials, judging pageants, and dedicating IG time will have to realize and wrap around his head that he is running an airline trying to strengthen its patronage base.

For the executives always making excuses that airlines like the ME3 have the finances, subsidies, and so are the rich airlines ergo "cannot" compete with them as their operative phrase should not be in the airline business at all.

It is called competition - address it competitively.

[PAL 747]

If they won't bring back Mabuhay Magazine when Cebu Pacific & other airline are bringing back their inflight magazines AND making passengers download their IFE app on their phones before flying, I wouldn't keep my hopes up.

[airline_builder]

PAL 747 wrote

If they won't bring back Mabuhay Magazine when Cebu Pacific & other airline are bringing back their inflight magazines AND making passengers download their IFE app on their phones before flying, I wouldn't keep my hopes up.

Again, it is all about being frugal all in the wrong places - they are relying heavily on digital content because it saves more money - their definition of saving moving forward are all int he wrong places to be candid about it.

[Solblanc]

Arianespace wrote

romantic_guy08 wrote

Arianespace wrote

yes. tri class 309 seater 2-4-2 abreast. same as other 878x

what planes are they going to use for HNL? the "newer" high density one? or are they going to retain some of the 8x (2-4-2) for HNL?

Densification loses ability to fly long haul. It would become purely a regional aircraft, except HNL. Four frames (8x) for rotation to Jp, Oz and HNL is enough for their current schedule.

You said it - current schedule. There is so much growth in the OZ market, and they’re choosing to shoot themselves in the foot. They cut their ability to expand in SYD and MEL. I thought they had aspirations for Europe? You can’t make Europe work without good consistent feed from Australia. Also, they’ve practically decided with that move that AKL will not be restarted. And for what? Which market really needs the sardine cans more when they already have seven of them?

[airline_builder]

Solblanc wrote

Arianespace wrote

romantic_guy08 wrote

Arianespace wrote

yes. tri class 309 seater 2-4-2 abreast. same as other 878x

what planes are they going to use for HNL? the "newer" high density one? or are they going to retain some of the 8x (2-4-2) for HNL?

Densification loses ability to fly long haul. It would become purely a regional aircraft, except HNL. Four frames (8x) for rotation to Jp, Oz and HNL is enough for their current schedule.

You said it - current schedule. There is so much growth in the OZ market, and they’re choosing to shoot themselves in the foot. They cut their ability to expand in SYD and MEL. I thought they had aspirations for Europe? You can’t make Europe work without good consistent feed from Australia. Also, they’ve practically decided with that move that AKL will not be restarted. And for what? Which market really needs the sardine cans more when they already have seven of them?

Again poor leadership in all its glory

[Evodesire]

PAL's Skytrax ranking fell from 80th spot down to 96th. Speaks badly about the deterioration of PAL's service. Question now is, what are they going to do? They cannot shrug that.

I remember Arianne sharing that after JJB's departure in 2019 and Viv taking over, PAL's service level will begin spiraling down. He was right.

[Evodesire]

airline_builder wrote

what PAL needs is a strong-willed CEO who can professionally address, justify, and debunk the dictatorship  miniscule mindset on what and how the aviation industry really is.

honestly, even for Cathay Pacific to have incurred more loses than PAL and deteriorated on both service and amenities on board are miraculously on their feet again making it to no. 5 flying mostly old planes the only new ones are their 350s and 321n, so I hope the CEO who is intensely busy seen shopping most of the time at BGC, attending almost all socials, judging pageants, and dedicating IG time will have to realize and wrap around his head that he is running an airline trying to strengthen its patronage base.

For the executives always making excuses that airlines like the ME3 have the finances, subsidies, and so are the rich airlines ergo "cannot" compete with them as their operative phrase should not be in the airline business at all.

It is called competition - address it competitively.

CX got financial backing from the government. Our local airlines didn't get any. Problem I see with PAL is how the family sticks their noses in. If you don't like their decision, no matter how unfavorable it is, you are out. Totally opposite of how Gokongwei allows his executives to run Cebu Pacific.

In the last 12 years, PAL went through 4 management teams. RSA - JJB - GSM - SKN. Still not much improvement except when JJB entered again in 2014 and PAL started raking in awards and recognitions. Then when things were on top, Viv Tan stepped in then wham! Common denominator is the family. Sadly, kapitan is the bank roller. Hence, he who has the gold, makes the rules. And you have the rest wanting to get a piece of the pie.

Until PAL breaks away from them or the Tans agree to let the management team run the airline just like how the Gokonweis does it, I don't see PAL gaining traction anytime soon. And I hope they will not downplay the Skytrax rating. It speaks well about how their service has deteriorated. Enough of being cocky. Things are catching up.

[Arianespace]

Solblanc wrote

Arianespace wrote

romantic_guy08 wrote

Arianespace wrote

yes. tri class 309 seater 2-4-2 abreast. same as other 878x

what planes are they going to use for HNL? the "newer" high density one? or are they going to retain some of the 8x (2-4-2) for HNL?

Densification loses ability to fly long haul. It would become purely a regional aircraft, except HNL. Four frames (8x) for rotation to Jp, Oz and HNL is enough for their current schedule.

There is so much growth in the OZ market, and they’re choosing to shoot themselves in the foot. They cut their ability to expand in SYD and MEL. I thought they had aspirations for Europe? You can’t make Europe work without good consistent feed from Australia

Actually they are reinforcing the middle east and asean market. OZ is a little bit on a bind considering their grounded neo fleet. 5 out 8 is bad as they are now because of PW. That is why the Boeing narrow is offered as they have separate engine. Perhaps disgust by owners of not able to fly the plane.

[JNC03]

They need to find planes or else their paychecks is also deducted🤣

[romantic_guy08]

Arianespace wrote

romantic_guy08 wrote

Arianespace wrote

yes. tri class 309 seater 2-4-2 abreast. same as other 878x

what planes are they going to use for HNL? the "newer" high density one? or are they going to retain some of the 8x (2-4-2) for HNL?

Densification loses ability to fly long haul. It would become purely a regional aircraft, except HNL. Four frames (8x) for rotation to Jp, Oz and HNL is enough for their current schedule.

so these are 89, 86, 83 and?

[PAL 747]

Can anyone explain why San Miguel only held PAL for 2 years (2012-2014)?

[Arianespace]

romantic_guy08 wrote

so these are 89, 86, 83 and?

80,82,86,89. These are the most comfortable A330s. 81 and 83 are set for densification.