Airlines In The Philippines III

[airline_builder]

PAL will absolutely grab this chance of cramping all that it can for profit sake....if you'd notice the management style of late tends to be on the greed-thirst inclination out of touch to the feedbacks of its consumers unless the opinion are aligned to what their minds have made up on already.

Likewise, most up there at their HQ are still in a bubble.

[Arianespace]

Remember the story I told you about the west sanctioning Russia and how it affected supply chain? Guess what, Reuters just figure out now why there is so much disruptions about aircraft and engine parts. Classic.

[fr_kingst]

According  to this blog, PAL ordered 12 A350-1000 and 13 A321neo. I thought they ordered only 9 A350.

https://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/

[Darkknight85]

fr_kingst wrote

According  to this blog, PAL ordered 12 A350-1000 and 13 A321neo. I thought they ordered only 9 A350.

https://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/

They exercised the plus 3 options. So that makes 12 airframes.

[PAL 747]

Found the xerox copy of PAL's history from 1941-1991 that was published on PAL's employee newsletter!

Will provide the spreadsheet of PAL's profits/losses by year soon. But quick fun fact: from 1946-1991, PAL lost money in 1947, 1949, 1970, 1972, 1980-1986 & 1988.

[PAL 747]

Good lord. Imelda and the Marcoses owe PAL at least a billion and a half in today's dollars. PAL really bled money from 1980-1986 no thanks to Imelda's trips.

There was no profit/loss figure for 1986, but it must be really bad.

[JNC03]

Qatar Airways and Korean Air will announce widebody orders. For KE they are leaning toward 787 while QR will have split 200 aircraft orders for both AIB and BOE

Meanwhile
Philippine Airlines will announce their A330 replacement in the next few months. The two airlines I mentioned earlier will likely announce their order at Farnborough Airshow in July. Will PAL join the show and announce their orders🤔

Cebu Pacific is expected to firm their orders on that airshow too

[Evodesire]

CX will also be deciding on an A330 replacement too soon. Mid-sized widebody.

[Arianespace]

Thank you for these invaluable figures. These information will go a long way.

I was checking PAL financial statement in 1963, and the post is accurate.

Check this out

My explanation to deficit figures, as I learned it before, without the politics:
1947- payments for DC-6
1949- payments for DC-6
1970- payments for BAC1-11, currency devaluation, from 3+ to 7+ to a dollar

1973- payments for DC-10s
1980 to 82- payments for B742s and A300s
1983 to 85- recession and currency devaluation
1988 -payments for F50 and SD360s
1997- recession and currency devaluation

[Arianespace]

[PAL 747]

My explanation to deficit figures, as I learned it before, without the politics:
1947- payments for DC-6
1949- payments for DC-6
1970- payments for BAC1-11, currency devaluation, from 3+ to 7+ to a dollar
1973- payments for DC-10s
1980 to 82- payments for B742s and A300s
1983 to 85- recession and currency devaluation
1988 -payments for F50 and SD360s
1997- recession and currency devaluation


Politics aside, that's spot on for the reasons for PAL's losses in those years. It's not cheap to buy new planes & train the flight & ground crews on how to use them.

Not sure why PAL picked the Fokker 50 over other similar planes at the time like the ATR 42, Saab 340, or the Dash 8. The Dash 8 actually flew to the Philippines to demonstrate it to PAL in 1984. We know PAL was in dire financial straits at that time; but the F50s arrived in 1987 when PAL began to recover. Maybe the Dash 8's weren't suitable for the Philippines; but the Dash 8's served the "missionary" routes in Canada well.

https://pbase.com/philippineaviation/de_havilland_canada_dhc8102_dash_8_demo_flt_for_pal

[PAL 747]

My money's on the B787.

[PAL 747]

[Arianespace]

PAL 747 wrote

Not sure why PAL picked the Fokker 50 over other similar planes at the time like the ATR 42, Saab 340, or the Dash 8. The Dash 8 actually flew to the Philippines to demonstrate it to PAL in 1984. We know PAL was in dire financial straits at that time; but the F50s arrived in 1987 when PAL began to recover. Maybe the Dash 8's weren't suitable for the Philippines; but the Dash 8's served the "missionary" routes in Canada well.

https://pbase.com/philippineaviation/de_havilland_canada_dhc8102_dash_8_demo_flt_for_pal

Interesting question. I don't know why PAL President Dante G. Santos choose the Fokker than De havilland.

But I got a hunch why he did so. Fokker 27. The PAL plane given to the air force is still flying up to this date.

Fokker 27 is by itself an interesting story anchored on DC-8 and KLM and why PAL flew a dutch plane.

[Evodesire]

JNC03 wrote

Meanwhile
Philippine Airlines will announce their A330 replacement in the next few months. The two airlines I mentioned earlier will likely announce their order at Farnborough Airshow in July. Will PAL join the show and announce their orders🤔

Cebu Pacific is expected to firm their orders on that airshow too

My bets:
B787s and maybe more A359s for PAL. They may also announce addl 3 more A35Ks, exercising their 3 options.
A320/321N for CEB

[Solblanc]

Evodesire wrote

JNC03 wrote

Meanwhile
Philippine Airlines will announce their A330 replacement in the next few months. The two airlines I mentioned earlier will likely announce their order at Farnborough Airshow in July. Will PAL join the show and announce their orders🤔

Cebu Pacific is expected to firm their orders on that airshow too

My bets:
B787s and maybe more A359s for PAL. They may also announce addl 3 more A35Ks, exercising their 3 options.
A320/321N for CEB

I’m thinking they’ll just go A359. At 10-abreast, it’ll exceed the capacity of the high-density A330s while providing marginally better comfort than an 9ab A330 and better economics compared to the 78X.

We have to remember that naia will be around for at least 15 years, so any growth in the future will come from bigger aircraft as opposed to more frequencies.

[JNC03]

Will PAL paint one of its aircraft with Pokemon livery? since they joined the pokeverse recently

Those who joined the pokeverse has one pokemon jet in their fleet like ANA, Skymark, Scoot, China Airlines and Garuda Indones

[airline_builder]

PAL 747 wrote

My money's on the B787.

The current enhancement of the A330N TOW and range might be the last nail on the coffin of any B787 direction for PAL.

Not to mention the European has got the best marketing strategy amongst the executive where the national flag carrier executives are allegedly quite popular for.

[Solblanc]

China is looking at buying a lot of A330neos now.

At this rate, PAL is really going to miss out. They may just wish to add IFE to their awful hi-density A330s as they won’t get a replacement this decade if they don’t order soon.

[JNC03]

As Cebu Air Inc. expands its aircraft fleet, its parent company JG Summit Holdings recently disclosed the budget carrier would be spending more than it previously estimated.

The operator of Cebu Pacific initially shared it would spend about P50 billion in capital expenditures this year, mainly for fleet-related projects. But JG Summit, in a clarification on Tuesday, said that the airline’s capex was now “estimated to be at least P60 billion.”



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