Airlines In The Philippines III

[Arianespace]

romantic_guy08 wrote

Arianespace wrote

romantic_guy08 wrote

I wonder if the CAB/DOTR will have the political will to implement something similar... ?

yeah... but only for flights to the US since PAL has to comply with the new US DOT regulations...

Now, if only the CAB/DOTR will also apply the same here in the country so all flights departing or arriving the PH is covered..

That will be good for the passengers...

Time for you to be happy!

CAB to study refunds for delayed, cancelled flights

Transportation Secretary Jaime Bautista believes that it is about time that Filipino consumers get some relief from airlines who delay or cancel scheduled flights, specifically if the delay or cancellation is due to their own action and is not due to a force majeure situation.

In an interview, Secretary Bautista said that he would ask the Civil Aviation Board (CAB) to study the imposition of a refund policy similar to what the US government recently ordered for airlines operating within the US who cancel or significantly change flights, delay checked baggage and who fail to provide certain services.

https://www.philstar.com/business/2024/05/24/2357374/cab-study-refunds-delayed-cancelled-flights

It's about time as CEB does it again at FUK only to be left out at some other Japanese airport. I didn't realized its a far away place taking 12 hours to complete, pun intended.

[Arianespace]

Ronald Edward George Davies, bless his soul, had missed the writings of International Reference Service published by US Department of Commerce (1949) in his research on Airlines of Asia Since 1920 (1997). According to this book published in July 1949, the route was flown after London (August 3) in October via Batavia(Jakarta) and Darwin. Jibes well with the Lorenzo Gamboa story, and the PAL Route Map in 1948



R.E.G Davies is a respected author. And the facts he had is valid only for the things he knows. Could have told a different story if he had access to other reference materials like we do now. Anyhow, that is a good book you have there. I had the pleasure of reading his other book, Airlines of the Jet Age, which is also interesting.

[seven13]

For some weird reason, I'm actually excited to see Wamos flying here in PH. Anyone else is quite excited to see Wamos flying in PH airspace?

[romantic_guy08]

seven13 wrote

For some weird reason, I'm actually excited to see Wamos flying here in PH. Anyone else is quite excited to see Wamos flying in PH airspace?

Will they sport PR livery or still Wamos?

[Arianespace]

Wamos air is no stranger to MNL having started flying into the country in 2020 at the height of the pandemic bringing seafarers from EU alternating with Thomson fly B789. They never flew PH before. The plane is also not a stranger as it flew multiple times in the past. Personally, I saw the A332 at T1 but not the B744 which landed in Clark.


https://youtu.be/3X-ZaB0megA?t=176

Short term wet leases usually sport their own livery so I believe they wont be repainted, like the similar lease arrangements with Air New Zealand last year.

That would answer most of the PAL question too. Here is another article worth your watch
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/hola-why-air-nz-went-with-spanish-charter-operator-wamos-air/H6LI7L4O4VTTR4IDJC42H6L44Q/

[JNC03]

One ex Bamboo E195 is ongoing maintenance works at SIA Engineering in Clark after months of being parked at the airport

I am curious if it will be destined to a local or foreign operator

[ewh1]

I recently remembered that I had an account here, so I hadn't logged in for a while.

Anyway, I read that the Philippines and Thailand are planning a "two country, one destination" tourism marketing plan this year. When Philippine Airlines (PAL) receives their A350-1000s and has the resources to fly to Europe again, maybe they should consider 5th freedom flights from Bangkok?

I saw a map on a.net showing they once flew MNL-BKK to FRA and CDG back in 1997-98: https://flic.kr/p/79oDJT

I also watched an EVA Air video by Simply Aviation that outlined their history from Europe to Taipei, which now includes a mix of 5th freedom flights to Bangkok and direct flights to Taipei: https://youtu.be/thHasewnrv4?si=wpS5aNp2QNVSAWrC&t=34

This could be a potential strategy for PAL. Given that BKK-MNL is a popular route, often served by B777s with tourists and transit passengers from Thailand connecting in Manila to Japan and the US, it might be an opportunity to increase capacity on the route if they have the slots? This approach could be a lower-risk way to re-enter the European market, supplementing non-stops and 5th freedom flights on routes like Paris, Frankfurt, Rome, and London.

[Arianespace]

The strategy has failed twice. Once in the 80s and the second in the 90s. Remember the prestige route we are talking about? Other than UK that is what EU is for us. Not North America though as pointed by Solblanc

Would third time perhaps be a charm? If I remember correctly SMC did considered that option in 2013, a hop through BKK on 333.

We do have fifth freedom with our ASEAN neighbors long time ago. But it seems only Jetstar is successful doing that to Japan. TG failed. SG failed. and so does PR. Our direct flights is much cheaper here than elsewhere around the globe per mile. Perhaps because of the size of the ASEAN market. Did you know we also have 5th freedom from ICN and NRT, yet no airline in the PH is using them to hop across the pond?

[ewh1]

If I recall, they served TPE-NRT at one point, correct?

But anyways, they definitely should use those once they get the A350s. I’m sure they’d be slaughtered using their entitlements now especially with an uncompetitive product on a high yielding origin city. though at least with Japan, I wonder how the weakening yen and flat economy would fare? Maybe PAL could make it work if it prices it fairly

(if we’re talking Europe, if the Lufthansa Group can make routes work with their ultra uncompetitive 10year old cabins, at least for now, why not PAL on a ICN/NRT route to Europe. At least PAL has better service in my experience)  

Europe seems to be like you mentioned, a prestige dream that may or may not happen, but I’m curious to see what happens regardless. Alternatively, maybe the new SIA partnership may reap something in the future?

[Solblanc]

We have so many dormant 5th freedom rights.

The ICN/NRT rights were useful in the days when planes couldn’t make the transpac route work. At one point, they were even speculating launching ceb-icn-lax, but they decided nonstop would be better. Either way, ceb-lax didn’t last.

Aside from BKK, we also have rights from the UAE and Qatar. There’s nothing stopping Cebu Pacific from extending their Dubai flights to Europe. But they make enough money on O/D.

There’s also 5th freedom from Canada. The YVR flights have a history of being extended into other US airports like LAS, EWR, and JFK. These rights are capped at 4pw though, so it’s not easy to develop the route further if it encounters some success.

[Arianespace]

Speaking about ICN, the famous hop to LAX is going to be in effect next week as PAL flies the 333 once again while 77w goes on maintenance.

[Arianespace]

Wamos Air 332 (EC-NCK) arrives in Manila on flight PLM138P. In its own livery. Amazing how the 332 can fly 6000nm from MAD. It flew for Iberia for flights to North America before being hired by PAL. Goes to show how dire supply of widebody planes are. not just the narrows.

[PAL 747]

Manila-Taipei-Tokyo/Narita was served back until at least 1978 with the DC-8.

https://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/pr/pr7804/pr784-08.jpg

By 1980, the Taipei-Tokyo/Narita leg was dropped.

https://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/pr80/pr80-4.jpg

I think there was a Manila-Taipei-Osaka/Kansai route. I think it was the morning Osaka flight that had the Taipei stopover.

https://www.philstar.com/business/2016/05/21/1585228/pal-readies-taipei-osaka-flights-next-month

[PAL 747]

That's nothing. I've seen this beauty back in the day...

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Philippine-Airlines-Middle-East-Airlines-MEA/Boeing-747-2B4BM/69385?qsp=eJwtjLEOgzAMRP/Fc7cyAGN/oAxdOp4Si0QKJLI9FCH%2BvUnazed3905yeTf%2B2OsoTDMpQ1ygGxUINqX5JERJcW9wuI/TVJlmscdRHx7GS8iWV0EJ7N91/edP8Sy1AnXdtnZBO1mWXxpb9FFLQpexISa6ri9cETBX

[PAL 747]

Yep. I actually flew on the Manila-Seoul-Los Angeles flight with the leased MD-11 back in March 1997. The flight deck crew was from World Airways (who owned the MD-11). I was flying on Mabuhay Class. The flight was light out of MNL; but became full after picking up passengers at Seoul. There was no inflight entertainment; but I remember seeing Mt Fuji for the 1st time as we flew over Tokyo during lunch time.

The catering for lunch & breakfast on the SEL-LAX leg was from Seoul; so the walang kamatayan (usual) arroz caldo wasn't served for the midflight snack. Instead I had Dosirak instant noodles. This flight was memorable because this was the 1st time I used the remote gates at LAX and had to be bussed to the terminal.

The flight was cut later in the year when the Asian economic crisis hit Korea pretty bad.

Also, depending on the winds, the MD-11s would make a brief technical stop at Osaka/Kansai on the Vancouver-Newark flight.  

[PAL 747]

Yikes. That's 2 B777s going under maintenance. Any info on the regs of the affected B777s and what kind of checks they'll be under?

[JNC03]

Safran's seat for 10 abreast A350 economy class

Will PAL still pursue the 10 abreast economy config on A35Ks?

[Solblanc]

It doesn’t seem so bad… time will tell if the travelling public will just accept the tighter squeeze.

Incidentally, I find it so very strange that PAL couldn’t make CEB-Baguio work. Baguio is a very major metropolitan area that doesn’t have regular air service. Baguio is also host to a lot of tourists and English schools.

Cebu could’ve given Baguio international feed if the cards were right. Or if Baguio had proper CIQ facilities, they could’ve sent that Q400 straight to Hong Kong.

[Arianespace]

You did not post the entire picture. This is exactly how you seat at 10 abreast 35k. 17 inches. Literally shoulder to shoulder. Mas malapad pa ang seat ng A320 at 18 inches. Malaki yung shoulder room mo. The arm rest also got smaller from 2"to 1.5". And you will have to cramped over it for 14 hours. If you are 5 feet like most Filipinos you are probably okay. If you are taller than that and not skinny then prepare to book for another airline, or get the premium, or if you can afford the business class.  




And this is how they will actually look like. Half your shoulder on the aisle.

[seven13]

Seems like PR is taking delivery of one A21N this year? Around september perhaps? Anybody who has heard about this?