Airlines In The Philippines III

[Arianespace]

There is a GECAS white tail 77w plane at Balabag. Been there for two days already. Is this the 84?

[JNC03]

What is the registration?

UAE Foreign Minister visited Manila using Emirates 77W the former 7781. It departed today morning after two days of stay in Manila

[Evodesire]

Solblanc wrote

Evodesire wrote

JNC03 wrote

Meanwhile
Philippine Airlines will announce their A330 replacement in the next few months. The two airlines I mentioned earlier will likely announce their order at Farnborough Airshow in July. Will PAL join the show and announce their orders🤔

Cebu Pacific is expected to firm their orders on that airshow too

My bets:
B787s and maybe more A359s for PAL. They may also announce addl 3 more A35Ks, exercising their 3 options.
A320/321N for CEB

I’m thinking they’ll just go A359. At 10-abreast, it’ll exceed the capacity of the high-density A330s while providing marginally better comfort than an 9ab A330 and better economics compared to the 78X.

We have to remember that naia will be around for at least 15 years, so any growth in the future will come from bigger aircraft as opposed to more frequencies.

It may even be A359 and B789. I really doubt Boeing will be taken out of the equation. I think a fleet of A350 family and 787 family will be a good efficient mix.

[JNC03]

PAL had a recent board meeting, did they talk about the aircraft order?

[Evodesire]

It also just came out that Airbus has an undisclosed customer for 20 A339s.

[JNC03]

Making their image sort of positive in the Philippines🤔🤔

[JNC03]

Some Boeing team is here in the Philippines as per the press release

https://goboeing.co/3yZ3qwZ

[PAL 747]

Food for thought:

https://simpleflying.com/saudia-chief-commercial-officer-air-india-improvement-expense-me3/

I know India is bigger than the Philippines, but still.

[xzibit31]

I read somewhere that that order is for Vietnam Airlines

[Solblanc]

PAL 747 wrote

Food for thought:

https://simpleflying.com/saudia-chief-commercial-officer-air-india-improvement-expense-me3/

I know India is bigger than the Philippines, but still.

India also has the benefit of having the Middle East within range of narrowbodies.

There’s so much traffic between the Philippines and the Middle East, and it took a while for our carriers to get the formula right to be able to compete with the ME3. In our case, the ME3 basically grew the traffic between the Philippines and points beyond while PAL and Cebpac managed to capture the point to point market.

Pity that they had to go to charter configurations just to get the costs low enough to make a decent profit

[airline_builder]

Solblanc wrote

PAL 747 wrote

Food for thought:

https://simpleflying.com/saudia-chief-commercial-officer-air-india-improvement-expense-me3/

I know India is bigger than the Philippines, but still.

India also has the benefit of having the Middle East within range of narrowbodies.

There’s so much traffic between the Philippines and the Middle East, and it took a while for our carriers to get the formula right to be able to compete with the ME3. In our case, the ME3 basically grew the traffic between the Philippines and points beyond while PAL and Cebpac managed to capture the point to point market.

Pity that they had to go to charter configurations just to get the costs low enough to make a decent profit

I totally agree with you. PAL has operated on boxed up formula and always are dependent on the VFR equation. They have been left behind by the reality that globalization is here, and all have become travelers.

Neeless to say, the constricted mindset of PAL management to always present the price sensitivity of the Filipinos most especially is flawed, Filipinos would stretch their capacity to pay for a ticket that is worth their quality of traveling on board. The amenities (ife and decent legroom) and the food that if you look at the food in economy it is pathetically insulting.  

[Arianespace]

Interesting indeed.

[Arianespace]

And this one too!

[JNC03]

5J is just interested on -8 and -10

Someone else is interested on -9🤔

[AB350]

If 5J those order the B737-8 and B737-10
It will mark as a landmark for Boeing. While the B787 Dreamliner (either B789 or B781), will offer flexibility to PAL allowing them to better compete in the market!

[seven13]

The question is how small or big of the riding public is price sensitive? I would admit that I am price sensitive and would consider even to the last dollar except if I see value in what I am paying for, which does not happen all the time. Also, MNL do not have the adequate and right infrastructure for transiting. T1 is a total mess last year when revenge travel was very strong. However, I would not say PR is still 99% focused on VFR traffic. It does get a dose of transiting passengers especially from KUL/CGK/DPS. A handful for NAm flights. I could say more transiting now on PR metal compared to pre pandemic.

[seven13]

Solblanc wrote

PAL 747 wrote

Food for thought:

https://simpleflying.com/saudia-chief-commercial-officer-air-india-improvement-expense-me3/

I know India is bigger than the Philippines, but still.

Pity that they had to go to charter configurations just to get the costs low enough to make a decent profit

I am still a believer that the ME3 has fuel subsidies giving them operating advantages in terms of opex compared to PR and 5J even if the ME3 denies to death receiving any fuel subsidies.

[JNC03]

The 2024 Farnborough Air Show is fast approaching.

It will take place from 22-26 July at the airport to the south-west of London, and as ever will be a showcase of the best and latest aircraft and aerospace products.

This year promises to be one of the biggest yet, and confirmations of the aircraft that will be attending are flowing in.

Airbus:
A220-300
A321-253XLR Prototype
A330-941
A350-941 – Air India
A400M
C295


ATR:
72-600
72-600F


At the time of writing only one Boeing aircraft had been confirmed. However, it is likely more will arrive.
787-9 – Qatar Airways


Embraer:
E195-E2
E190 Freighter



As early as now the aircrafts that PAL is interested in will be present at the airshow.

[Arianespace]

JNC03 wrote

RP-C7776 will be returned to the lessor in the next few months

RP-C7776 has officially been delisted from PAL Fleet after 14 years of service last week. It left the Philippines as N3771, on June 8 bound for Larnaca, Cyprus. It was a PAL owned plane (36N) until it was sold to GECAS in 2018 under leaseback for 6 years. Thanks for the memories.

[JNC03]

Airbus is closing in on a large single-aisle jet order from Cebu Pacific Air, with the carrier planning to sign up for as many as 150 A320neo aircraft that would more than double the Asian airline's fleet size.

A deal would include about 50 optional purchases, according to people familiar with the negotiations. Philippines-based Cebu and Airbus may announce the accord at the Farnborough Air Show later next month, said one of the people, who asked not to be identified because the discussions are confidential.

Representatives for Cebu, Airbus and Boeing declined to comment. The people cautioned that no deal has been formally signed, and that details of an agreement and the timing could still change.

In leaning toward Airbus, Cebu Pacific appears to have kept its faith with the European planemaker despite delivery delays. The budget carrier is managing problems with Pratt & Whitney engines on some grounded jets in its fleet, forcing it to bring in additional leased planes to backfill the shortfall.


https://gulfnews.com/amp/business/aviation/cebu-pacific-set-to-favor-airbus-in-deal-for-as-many-as-150-jets-1.1718207618672