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Re: PAL

JNC03
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“There’s a plan to finalize [new orders] but it will take two years to deliver the aircraft,” he said, adding that PAL is considering acquiring A350s and Boeing 777 planes.

I think the writer misquoted the 777🤣

Its 787 I think

For the 2025 deliveries of A35K, look at the date now we are almost halfway this year. Time is running fast just grab the opportunity, Airbus can make surprises on how fast they can deliver an order.  
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Re: PAL

Evodesire
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What I heard is RP-C7781 is still stored awaiting parts for its reactivation. And then you have RP-C3508 with water supply issues, not being able to fly ultra long for the moment.

If only QR and Airbus did not kiss and make up, PAL would have the opportunity for those supposed-to-be NTU A35Ks. Then again, we have a global crisis of parts now hounding the industry. Airlines are postponing their expansion plans. Lucky 5J who is still able to secure planes.
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XWB_flyer
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I was anticipating an announcement of an order this year and looks like a set my expectations a bit too high! But looking at a recent post, it seems that any announcement would be made at a later date, maybe the Paris Air Show with the Singapore Air Show still a bit too long to wait.

Also I wonder what is Airbus counter-offer beside the A330neo? Add A321neo or A350-900 along with the A350-1000?
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Re: PAL

JNC03
They have 3 days left in the US, they can have a deal but have an embargo to announce it
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Re: PAL

XWB_flyer

Embargo?! What doesn't that mean?
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Evodesire
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PAL BOD to meet this May as per Arianespace. An announcement may come June onwards.
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Re: PAL

JNC03
PAL BOD meeting will happen on May 25 2PM via Zoom

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Re: Additional A320neo for 5J or PR

XWB_flyer
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Looks like a potential source of additional A320neo for both Cebu Pacific and PAL if it choose to take the opportunity to acquire additional aircraft for its fleet. But problem with P&W engines max be a hurdel that will need to be fix!

https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/gofirst-files-for-insolvency-suspends-operations
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Re: Additional A320neo for 5J or PR

Evodesire
Alaska Air is also letting go of its A321neos.
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Re: PAL

JNC03
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Someone shared that PAL A330 with registry RP-C8781 will be reconfigured from 309 seats to 359 and will be mainly used in the middle east once returned to service.

It is now live in Flightradar24 on ground at Clark
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Re: PAL

chowpau
JNC03 wrote
Someone shared that PAL A330 with registry RP-C8781 will be reconfigured from 309 seats to 359 and will be mainly used in the middle east once returned to service.

It is now live in Flightradar24 on ground at Clark
the same with the 876X with no IFEs?
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Re: PAL

XWB_flyer

I wonder what PAL plans for their A330-300 HGW (87XX and 8771) will they be gradually returned to their lessors? PAL doesn't seem to have plans to refurbish them either to Tri-class or the new 359 pax configuration, so probably they will be divested with the remaining Tri-class likely taking over once the B787-9 are delivered!
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Re: PAL

JNC03
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The final day of Marcos Jr. in US today I think Stanley Ng already met EXIM
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Re: PAL

Arianespace
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Read my post on PAL fleet planning. The answer is there.
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Re: PAL

Arianespace
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Truly embargoed. I like that. At least somebody else here know what it was.
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Re: PAL

JNC03
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At least we expect some announcement in the coming weeks

Marcos will face the media later before going to London, if PAL wants to save the best for last they can do it there.

But if they want to make it a little bit longer, after the board meeting
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Re: PAL

frequentflier
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Arianespace wrote
If you look now at PAL fleet direction, the lesser dense 309 seater A333, about 5 of them, heads to Pacific region, for rotations to HNL, SYD, MEL. And these have the 2-4-2 seats at Y. PAL recognizes that passenger in this direction pay better for value.

Meanwhile, the 4 denser 363 seater A333 makes its way to the Middle East transporting OFW folks at 3-3-3 Y on a budget. PAL and CEB has largely been successful competing on this market with ME carriers because its cheap. And its growing.

Four frames do heavy rotation for this sector flying DXB,DOH,DAM, and RUH, substituted occasionally by the Pacific bound A333s. The problem, most of these flights are full, which means PAL has to bump 50 others off the plane. As the bumping progresses, it becomes one whole special flight, which PAL then flies once a week. To remedy this situation, they are converting two of the pacific A330s also to dense 3-3-3 Y configuration (359 seats) mainly to service ME to rectify this planning shortfall, while pacific region fleet can always be augmented by the A359, which saw it flying SYD and MEL already.

Going forward in the future, I could see PAL diverting the remaining pacific A333s bound to ME, with the entry of the baby boeing.

Why I would think this way?

As the airline slowly drops old boeing from its fleet for the bus, a baby replaces it, with some commonality with the older one, pilot transition is not that difficult. They already have one ready for transition, the 77w pilots.  At this perspective, I could also see HNL, MEL, SYD as future routes together with the west coast cities, with 3 frames doing rotations From CEB to LAX and SFO.

Some would argue against the complexity of multiple fleet. I very much doubt about that concern.  Aircraft type has different prices to begin with, some more expensive than the other, and some catering to a particular niche, which acquisition cost the airline considers a lot. And we have identified this already. Low paying and high paying markets. You can actually look at it by examining their current fleet of widebodies, and where they are deployed.

Having said all of these, the current A330 might progress to the NEO in the future, and would serve the middle east market very well, with the same biclass 360 pax.

My choice for the NEO and why PAL might get them instead of the B787-10 as you also desire for them to have is actually simple. It is the most cost effective aircraft in Asia and the middle east, as they are cheaper, low cost aircraft that has the same capacity as the B7810, with a price tag of $298 million as compared to $340 million for the Boeing (Air Finance Journal quoted rates 2023), payment for its amortization is not that difficult. I'm not sure if the baby can pay itself doing ME run with price sensitive passengers.

So you see its all related, low fares, neo. High fares, baby. simple.

P.S.
Baby actually earns more flying longer flights and PAL can fill it with high paying passengers. Don't believe me. Look at their fares for routes across the big pond. As a matter of fact, it is one source of their biggest revenue per flight.
Just to save the trouble of backreading
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Re: PAL

JNC03
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PAL is also short of A321s

My friend's flight is cancelled Hongkong-Manila
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Re: PAL

Darkknight85
True, my parents used an old A320 with loose seats my dad has to hold tight to prevent him from falling. Both are premier elite members.
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Re: PAL

Arianespace
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Like what I said before, they are not short of narrow bodies. What they lack now is the parts that keep the planes on the ground flying. They just reactivated A321 but lost another A320. Net is actually zero. So the 5xxx goes for a while until replacement parts comes in.
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