One issue is that PR isn't officially joining Oneworld until 2027, so it might be premature to paint the plane in a Oneworld livery. Maybe it will have a different special livery, or maybe the timing was genuinely a coincidence. |
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Don't forget, they recently tapped the former chairman of Malaysia Airlines as one of their board members
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So what happens now with NH then since they have a stake in the airline and in codeshare with them
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I don’t really think it will do anything. It will remain as is. CA’s share in CX is roughly 30% and yet CX is in OW and CA is in Star. CX has quite a number of codeshare with non-OW members like LH CA NZ et al |
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PR is set to join Oneworld by 2027 but you still have those bare ceos and bare A333s. A jurassic B777 cabin with barely anything working.
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https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/airlines-lessors/pal-ceo-talks-outlook-joining-oneworld
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Since Nutall mentioned five A35K arriving this year
It looks like PAL wants to fast track the deliveries to put out old cabin 77Ws on long haul flights. This aligns with the plan of PAL to use those instead on mid haul market so the ones used for long haul are all new cabins for a better experience again since some pax are from other oneworld member flight. The A321ceo cabin refurb should be done by Q1 2027 so all oneworld connecting passengers can experience better cabin. |
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The OFW express A330 can be deployed instead on regional routes under 2hrs specially the flights with a lot of demand but dont need flashy cabins
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https://x.com/tak_goto43/status/2063335959379255403
A Japanese journalist asked about the ANA stake, and Tan said he would reply by e-mail as it is a "sensitive" topic. Interesting. |
ANA shares had been further diluted after capital increase from the Tan’s during pandemic but correct me if I’m wrong, ANA still holds 1 seat on the board. I’m curious which airline(s) invited PR to OW. My guess is AA. |
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Now that alliance talks is done and dusted, the big focus is on their fleet renewal plans
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The press release all but confirms it. |
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From someone:
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Wasn't one issue for PR how CX and JL are already strong in North America, so for the longest time, it was said that Oneworld's access to North America was already well-served and PAL wasn't needed? And I thought the more important market for Southeast Asia was actually Europe and not NA, considering all the SEA carriers that fly to Europe. |
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I read a forum post on A.net suggesting that AA could be launching LAX-MNL. If true, it was apparently a coincidence and was planned even before the PR-Oneworld announcement, though who knows if it was a behind-the-scenes thing. If it's true, it would be surprising since AA is the weakest of the US3 in Asia, and they don't even serve more obvious routes like LAX-HKG at the moment.
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PAL ordering more aircraft (though it was from Reuters but it's locked) https://djsaviation.net/philippine-airlines-will-order-more-aircraft/?fbclid=IwdGRjcASTV25jbGNrBJNJd2V4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHkLXEC6nfUO0Pofx4yGHmnk-L1bfydOrIoxEAENSYSj2ZJ9pxzDsE4LDoicK_aem_thKtCtVZTbhp6xkVGaNT-A |
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Here is the reuters article
Philippine Airlines will order new planes, perhaps in the next couple of months, the company's president Richard Nuttall said on Saturday. “We will be ordering new planes. If you wait a couple of months, you will probably find out,” Nutall said. |
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It’s not just what Richard said, it’s also where he said it. Perhaps Embraer has been able to make a pitch while Richard was there? But that’s just wishful thinking. With the timing, and with oil prices, this makes me think that they’re thinking long-term with this order. In the short-term, they don’t exactly need that much extra capacity. So perhaps that means they’re ready to get in line for 787s. One of the other articles mentioned how Richard is confident that they can continue to be disciplined, and that they have funding for bad times which they hope they don’t tap into. Early capex with near-term deliveries (A330neo) is going to cost them more in the short term, while placing a few 787 orders now will also cost money, but they have plenty of time to figure out the financing as deliveries are still years away. |
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Embraer order is practical so they can now operate low demand flights specially during Q3 every year where the demand is low specially on some domestic flights.
And the most important thing, to operate flights from Manila that is utilizing the Q400 since the turboprop ban is effective they can also evade it now using E190s |
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