Airlines In The Philippines IV

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

PR's fleet renewal should reflect their growth trajectory now that they will be part of a major alliance, they truly want to become a global airline now, they're not just catering solely to the diaspora

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

Some carriers are being informed by Airbus that a320 and a321 orders may be delayed by next year to 2028, does it include our local carriers?

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/airbus-notifies-a320neo-series-customers-delays-jets-due-2027-2028-bloomberg-2026-06-07/?taid=6a261b2e95609a00012e4775&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

[kilohakdog]

Richard Nuttall said during the IATA meeting that the pending deliveries for PAL’s A321neo are indeed delayed

[filipinoavgeek]

Gustavo J Oppenheimer wrote

PR's fleet renewal should reflect their growth trajectory now that they will be part of a major alliance, they truly want to become a global airline now, they're not just catering solely to the diaspora

Nuttall actually mentioned this in his interview: now that they are going to be in an alliance, they would have to upgauge their fleet.

[ewh1]

Paywalled, but basically.

20 B787, A330neo and A350 models are all up for consideration

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-08/philippine-air-said-to-consider-order-for-20-widebody-planes

[Solblanc]

ewh1 wrote

Paywalled, but basically.

20 B787, A330neo and A350 models are all up for consideration

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-08/philippine-air-said-to-consider-order-for-20-widebody-planes

All three will work for PAL; just a matter of price and delivery preference at this point

[filipinoavgeek]

Solblanc wrote

ewh1 wrote

Paywalled, but basically.

20 B787, A330neo and A350 models are all up for consideration

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-08/philippine-air-said-to-consider-order-for-20-widebody-planes

All three will work for PAL; just a matter of price and delivery preference at this point

I can see it as being a mix of A350s and a second type. I'm not sure if the 787 and the A330neo could co-exist within PAL, especially if they end up getting more A359s. The 787 would be a perfect fit for thinner NA routes and might be a good fit should they return to Europe, but the A330neos would work well on their regional routes. Is it possible that they order 787s to partially replace the 777s, and A330neos to replace the A330ceos? If the 787s and the A330neos are both ordered, they'd have to be targeted at different markets. But if they decide to go all in on Airbus and order more A350s, that probably means no 787s.

[ewh1]

filipinoavgeek wrote

Solblanc wrote

ewh1 wrote

Paywalled, but basically.

20 B787, A330neo and A350 models are all up for consideration

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-08/philippine-air-said-to-consider-order-for-20-widebody-planes

All three will work for PAL; just a matter of price and delivery preference at this point

I can see it as being a mix of A350s and a second type. I'm not sure if the 787 and the A330neo could co-exist within PAL, especially if they end up getting more A359s. The 787 would be a perfect fit for thinner NA routes and might be a good fit should they return to Europe, but the A330neos would work well on their regional routes. Is it possible that they order 787s to partially replace the 777s, and A330neos to replace the A330ceos? If the 787s and the A330neos are both ordered, they'd have to be targeted at different markets. But if they decide to go all in on Airbus and order more A350s, that probably means no 787s.

I could see them exercising the 3 A350-1000 options plus adding 3 more on order.  For a total of 15

Then
6 B787-10s
9 B787-9s
7 A350-900s

So closer to to 27 aircraft in total. But maybe it’s just a fantasy. We’ll see. But in my view, it would give them room to refleet older ac but while also being moderately more ambitious in terms of capacity expansion with greater flexibility, especially with deliveries expected later in 2030+

[poipoi]

In my opinion

6 B787-9 (Flex routes + expansion + seasonal protection + regional routes)
6 B787-10 (777 replacement on high-density routes esp. ME routes)
8 A350-900 (To replace old aging A330s and use it for Q3 low-yield routes North American)
3 A350-1000 (Exercise the 3 options for this one the new flagship long-haul 777 replacement)

All 777s (Reconfig for ME routes while waiting for 787s)
All 787(Middle East or Europe routes)
All A350-900s/1000s (Canada / North American routes)

[Solblanc]

I would just keep it simple. Mideast routes might get thinner in the long run. 20 787-9s in two configurations would replace the A330s and complement the A35K and A321N and provide enough flexibility.

[cosmicarcher]

I wonder if PR would then consolidate their oneWorld partners in NAIA T1?

Perhaps move out the 2 SkyTeam (Korean and Sudia) and 2 StarAlliance (Asiana and EVA) members to T3.  Then move the 4 oneWorld (Cathay, Qatar, Qantas, and JAL) airlines from T3 to T1.

Maybe this is why Cathay closed its lounge in T3?  They can transfer to T1 and just use PAL flagship Mabuhay Lounge?  Also, I think it's easier for passengers to transit between T1 and T2 for domestic transit and vice versa.

I mean, Terminal 1 is smaller than T3, but I personally find it more efficient, less lines, and just adequate and overall better experience.

[justhorace]

But awfully inconvenient for PWDs. After security, to get to the gate, you have to enter a restricted zone, be subjected to another security check, and then you would be brought to the gate. You couldn't return to the concourse unless through the restricted zone, which means another set of security checks. And if you're flying stateside or Australia, there's another security check at the gate. Unless they do something about access to the gates from the concourse, T3 is potentially a much more convenient option. But I do get how it T1 would be a boon for T2 connections.

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

The plan for NNIC is for all FSC flying international to be put into T3 that includes PAL, while the future T5 will be for PAL/PALEx Domestic Flights. So most likely PAL and its oneworld partners will consolidate in T3, hope they would consider a large space for their upcoming Mabuhay Lounge to accomodate their partners in the alliance


Speaking of NAIA, PAL won't be considering 777x as it is too big

https://www.ch-aviation.com/news/168068-philippine-airlines-studies-order-for-up-to-20-widebodies?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[filipinoavgeek]

I appreciate the enthusiasm, but this forum is really more for discussing aviation news and updates, rather than sharing renders (and to be honest, the ones you posted look AI-generated to me).

[filipinoavgeek]

Arianespace, if you're online, could you try talking to PinoyAviatior2026 about their posts? I just looked and it seems they are all AI-generated (you can tell from the fuzziness of the words and logos).

[Arianespace]

Its all right. We are posting AI generated view of PAL B787 from Mond Ortiz. Its the same thing. We just have to put it in the proper perspective, like relocating it. Others similarly minded might also love looking at it, and somehow get an idea. And as long as you're talking philippine aviation then you're good to go.

[filipinoavgeek]

Yeah, maybe there isn't a need for separate threads about it, but maybe a single render thread or a single post here? The previous threads were clogging up the forum.

[Evodesire]

Arianespace wrote

Its all right. We are posting AI generated view of PAL B787 from Mond Ortiz. Its the same thing. We just have to put it in the proper perspective, like relocating it. Others similarly minded might also love looking at it, and somehow get an idea. And as long as you're talking philippine aviation then you're good to go.

I read sir Mon Ortiz' explanation why he thinks PAL will get the 787-10 iMTOW to replace the A330-300. Makes sense. But I heard from the grapevine that they are eyeing more on the -9 than the -10. I also agree they need more A359s.

[Evodesire]

cosmicarcher wrote

I wonder if PR would then consolidate their oneWorld partners in NAIA T1?

Perhaps move out the 2 SkyTeam (Korean and Sudia) and 2 StarAlliance (Asiana and EVA) members to T3.  Then move the 4 oneWorld (Cathay, Qatar, Qantas, and JAL) airlines from T3 to T1.

Maybe this is why Cathay closed its lounge in T3?  They can transfer to T1 and just use PAL flagship Mabuhay Lounge?  Also, I think it's easier for passengers to transit between T1 and T2 for domestic transit and vice versa.

I mean, Terminal 1 is smaller than T3, but I personally find it more efficient, less lines, and just adequate and overall better experience.

Aren't they supposed to be transferred to T3 by Q4?

[seven13]

Evodesire wrote

Arianespace wrote

Its all right. We are posting AI generated view of PAL B787 from Mond Ortiz. Its the same thing. We just have to put it in the proper perspective, like relocating it. Others similarly minded might also love looking at it, and somehow get an idea. And as long as you're talking philippine aviation then you're good to go.

I read sir Mon Ortiz' explanation why he thinks PAL will get the 787-10 iMTOW to replace the A330-300. Makes sense. But I heard from the grapevine that they are eyeing more on the -9 than the -10. I also agree they need more A359s.

It was briefly discussed here right, if I remember correctly.
If the increased 78X’s Mtow would allow PR to fly it to US west coast and back to PH without any penalty, they might get it, as it can be a flexible aircraft to fly to ME and US; the -9 can definitely do it but it can sit less than the -X.