Airlines in the Philippines

[peterpiloto]

No wonder the bi-class was used....just two seats short from the 77W. Guess the A343 doesn't always save the day after all.

[Crash&burn]

Airbus made their pitch for the A350K this January. Boeing coming in this 2nd week of February to sell the 777X.

[Crash&burn]

Only 1 A340 left and PAL will not fly it until re-delivery. Saving costs for mandatory maintenance.

[Arianespace]

Yes it was. 5113 however isn't. Here she was flying out LAX.

[Arianespace]

Airbus A330-900neo and Boeing 787-900. The former is almost identical in capacity to the latter. So it should be same 9 abreast seating equivalent up to 440 passengers. Note that exit limit of B789 is 420. B78k is however 440. This should be interesting competition.


Comparison                             789                           7810
                 Airbus                    Boeing                       Boeing
Length       63.7m                    62.8m                        68.3m
OEW         127t                       129t                           135t
MZFW       181t                       181t                           192t      
MTOW       251t                       253t                           253t
Max Pax     440                       410                             440
Range       7500nm                  8300nm                     7100nm
Payload     56t                         52t         (ANA data)   57t
Loadrange 5400nm                  5400nm  (ANA data)   4000nm

While B789 wins hands down on range it has problem carrying similar payload. B78K has similar payload of A339 but has 4000nm range at max payload. Boeing however is the more comfortable plane being wider than Airbus. It seems the ceiling is 52t and 5000nm from MNL. That is 3 more hours on holding pattern which is enough for the destination they flew.

Boeing does not provide figure if the fully loaded B789 is indeed efficient as no airline propose to configure this dense setup. What we have are speculations. Educated guesswork if you will. It remains to be seen if the B789 is more fuel efficient per seat than the A339 when both are configured with 9 abreast seating in Y.  CEB decision would likely confirm which one is the most efficient in their line of business.

Personally, I think they should just take B77W for growth in slot-constrained markets which can accommodate 550 passengers. But I guess it is too much as they only have few destination with that problem. For what they need the A339 fits the bill perfectly.

[Dmitrivich]

PAL president Jaime Bautista earlier said they have also been in talks with suitors from the Middle East. 2nd Foreign investor .. Sana QR..

[eladkram29]

Let's hope QR will invest. If they do, you can look to Air Italy.

[idp5601]

IMO it's highly unlikely that a second investor will come in, at least not right now.

And do note that JJB said this way before NH was finally announced as the investor, so it must've meant that they were also talking to interested ME carriers aside from ANA, and that ANA eventually won out over these airlines.

[idp5601]

Key difference being that QR owns 49% of Air Italy, so they would obviously have a bigger say in what they do. Them doing that here with PR would be illegal.

[B77Wflyer]

Crash&burn wrote

Airbus made their pitch for the A350K this January. Boeing coming in this 2nd week of February to sell the 777X.

Intresting development! Airbus Is pitching there A350-1000 while Boeing will likely pitch there B777-9.  The A35K has an advantage since its already in service and has commonality with PAL existing A359. Meanwhile the B779 is only going to start flying later this year which could finally verify Boeing clams of the advantages of the B779 when compared to the A35K.  The question is will PAL whait for the B777X to finnish its test flights?

[Arianespace]

In the Philippines, 40% can command you a management contract. Control No. Management Yes. One good example is PLDT and SMC. In the airline business, there is Philippines Airasia. Ka Toni Fernandes has plenty of say even if his minority. So it is not far fetch for a foreign airline like ANA to manage a local airline.

[Arianespace]

The immediate decision for this year is the Airbus option.

[Solblanc]

I hope that they really think about the B77W refurbishment. They have all of these ads of their new business class and premium economy, and these aren’t even available on their flagship LAX/SFO routes. That should be more urgent than firming up the Airbus options.

[B77Wflyer]

Solblanc wrote

I hope that they really think about the B77W refurbishment. They have all of these ads of their new business class and premium economy, and these aren’t even available on their flagship LAX/SFO routes. That should be more urgent than firming up the Airbus options.

I'm also hoping PAL will retrofit there B77W especially the oldest 6 in the fleet, as there BCL seats are already worn out and need to be replaced. As for the seats type the Zodiac Aura which are found on there newer 77W will be find. But hopefully they will consider the Vantage XL or even another seat type that offers direct aisle access.

[B77Wflyer]

Someone on Instagram has posted on his story that Cebu Pacific will placed an order for the A330neo. According to one of the pilots while flying with 5J between HKG-MNL.  Many are assuming that CEB will order the A330neo. However its not yet confirmed within CEB. Personally I think it was just the opinion of the Pilots from CEB.

[Solblanc]

If they heard it from pilots, that probably means that the neo has a head start in terms of preference. When the manufacturers start vying for their business, it’ll get more interesting.

[Arianespace]

Pilots didn't really have a say as to choice of aircraft. The one who recommends are not even pilots, more so the one who decides. The other airline pilots prefer the B789 and got the A359 instead.

[Unbreakable]

Any news on this? Havent seen much in terms of updates. was supposed to be finished 2018 pa.

[Anonymous]

Theres even construction by T2 north and south wings by the garden area supposedly to expand the lobby area? Cant find any specifics tho

[Eurest]

Greetings, been a while

Can anyone confirm the speculation abuzz in the industry that PR is exercising its' options for the add'l 6 A350's but for wv005 319T MTOW of the A350-1000 w/ add'l tanks.
I guess you can't really confirm it but do you guys hear it as well over there?
It seems being flush with 95M$ makes it easier for initial deposits to be made.

When are the RecaroJclass shod B77W's lease expiring? Are they on 10 or 12?