Airlines in the Philippines

[Arianespace]

PR isn't daily either. Its proposing 3x a week. Its really a question of pulling traffic away from existing operators, if they can be successful at that. Because CX entry makes it more thinner and unsustainable.

As to India, BOM is served by El Al. There was no service in DEL at that time, thus PR enthusiasm to field the A321N. They could have made a killing to TLV if not for the engine woes of the neo.

MIA would work via YVR but I think they are heading ORD first.

[B77Wflyer]

Just Read this analysis from CAPA about TG considering introducing Premium Economy. It also details about other airlines in SEA  that offers PE, including PAL. One of the quotes states the following

"PAL retrofitted eight A330-300s with premium economy from 2Q2017 to 1Q2018. PAL’s first new aircraft with premium economy, an A350-900, was delivered on 14-Jul-2018. PAL will take three more A350-900s by the end of 2018 and two more A350s in 2019"

By the end of 2018 PAL will just have 12 aircraft that will feature PE which consist of 8 A330-300, and 4 A350-900. If the delivery of the 2 remaining A350 included that will rise to 14 aircraft. From this it looks liked the 7 Bi-class A330s will liked stick around for a while longer. However what I find more Intresting is the next quote.

"PAL (at least for now) has no plans to retrofit its 777-300ER fleet with premium economy, which would enable the airline to offer a more consistent product across its long haul network."

From this quote it seems that there is no definitive plans to retro-fit the B77W with PE (not sure if they have plans to replaced the J and Y seats on the 6 older  B77W Probably included.) I'm quite baffled by this since the B777 is there biggest aircraft yet there no solid plans to retrofitted them With PE (Let alone replaced The J and Y seats in there six earlier B77W which are starting to get warn out.) also this aircraft are being used at there flagship routes  yet there onboard product are dated.  

Link to the analysis:
https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/reports/premium-economy-thai-airways-considers-joining-the-growing-trend-428540<quote

[Evodesire]

Did they however retrofit the older 777s with the same seats as the newer ones for a more consistent product?

[Arianespace]

Solblanc wrote

Shouldn’t PAL reconfigure some 77Ws before they do more A330s?

This should answer Solblanc's question for now.

I just rode the 7777 and 7776. They are basically the same plane other than the wifi. So that also answers Evo's question. The difference with the new one is the WIFI. New ones don't have it yet. They have better IFE though.

[B77Wflyer]

Just want to know are  7777 and 7776 going to be returned backed to there respective lessor?

[Arianespace]

They were renewed recently.

By the way, 7781 is still stuck at LAX since Friday July 20 after it was hit by a ground vehicle.  

[B77Wflyer]

Arianespace wrote

They were renewed recently.

By the way, 7781 is still stuck at LAX since Friday July 20 after it was hit by a ground vehicle.

Intresting, Quite Surprised they Renewed there leasing contract as I expected them to be returned backed to there lessor since there the mostly likely candidates. As for the remaining B77W 4 are self-owned while the remaining 4 are on 10 year long-term leased.

With regards to 7781 looks liked it still stuck in LAX  wonder when will she became  air worthy again?

[seven13]

Arianespace, do you have any idea on how PR is doing in YYZ. I just saw that it is increasing YYZ to 5X a week starting Dec. Isnit safe to tell that it is doing quite well on that route?

[Arianespace]

Equipment downgrade. Like I said before it will be flown by A359.

[seven13]

Would 4 frames be enough doing 5x YYZ and JFK plus 7x LHR come winter schedule?

[Travelbug_89]

I just flew out of LAX this afternoon and 7781 is still sitting there,  couldn't tell where the damage was tho.

[Solblanc]

seven13 wrote

Would 4 frames be enough doing 5x YYZ and JFK plus 7x LHR come winter schedule?

4 frames might be a stretch, but 6 frames will do it no problem

[seven13]

The increase will happen this December.
I could understand 4 frames rotating LHR and JFK starting winter season as it will already be delivered.

Maybe they are fielding the 777 to YYZ until all A350s are delivered

[Arianespace]

LHR will go back to 77W by December.

[Arianespace]

And for which reason PAL long haul schedule got haywired as A340 can't fit all pre-booked passengers. That's the reason why 5104 fly always the next day instead of the night before. Because there is no plane.

[Solblanc]

The A350 isn’t doing anything. Can’t it do long-haul yet, even for a relief flight? Plus there’s another 350 ready for delivery.

[peterpiloto]

114/115 is also stated to be upgraded to a 77W this December...

[B77Wflyer]

Arianespace wrote

Equipment downgrade. Like I said before it will be flown by A359.

Intresting point of view. However these who commented from the Philippinesaerospace.blogspot.  have a different view, according to them the load factor between MNL and YYZ are quite high and the line are long on check-in takes 30 to 45 minutes. Part of the reason could be frequency since the route is served 4 x times weekly, with the addition of a 5th frequency this could changed however.

[seven13]

The load factor might be high but yield says otherwise, probably, that main reason for the downgrade to A350
I think they block BCL seats by half, instead of ECY

[B77Wflyer]

seven13 wrote

The load factor might be high but yield says otherwise, probably, that main reason for the downgrade to A350
I think they block BCL seats by half, instead of ECY

I don't think that would make sense for PAL as J is where most of there revenue will be. Alsoif  the A350 can fly to JFK direct  at 295 seats would it make sense to just sell all the seats as YYZ is shorter then JFK?