Airlines In The Philippines IV

[seven13]

seven13 wrote

romantic_guy08 wrote

77Ws (75) doing CTS and DND (83) today...

loads must be good...

 Business is nearly full today on CTS

Correction: business was half full out bound while Y is nearly 60%. Inbound: J = nearly 90% occupied and Y at almost 75%

[filipinoavgeek]

Still surprised that so many could fill a 777 on that route considering it is seasonal and usually it's only an A321neo at most. Imagine if it had been an A330 instead.

[seven13]

It is not cheap either. I was checking fares for 3rd week of March last December. Regular return on economy is priced at USD700++ it is certainly not cheap.

[kilohakdog]

RP-C7775 in CTS yesterday. Photo by @yuto3057 at X

[ewh1]

I’m guessing the allure of a white Xmas less than 5 hours away is a pretty tempting prospect especially for nostalgic, family oriented Filipinos dreaming of that classic Christmas postcard. I’d love to see how many are going to ski/snowboard, especially for the first time.

When it’s probably one of the few non-tropical destinations in the region, coupled with the peso to yen exchange rate, it’s not surprising to see demand.  

[romantic_guy08]

seven13 wrote

filipinoavgeek wrote

seven13 wrote

romantic_guy08 wrote

77Ws (75) doing CTS and DND (83) today...

loads must be good...

 Business is nearly full today on CTS

CTS is only seasonal due to a lack of planes and not a lack of demand, right? PR is supposed to be getting more A321neos this year, so maybe ones more are available, they can make CTS year-round. MNL-CTS is already year-round on 5J and the route is doing well for them: sometimes they even deploy the A321neo there during Spring and Summer.

As for them using the 777 today, was there a charter or perhaps multiple tour groups that booked MNL-CTS and thus they needed the extra capacity? It seems interesting that business was almost full.

This is the third or fourth rotation of B777 on CTS this holiday season.

CTS I can understand... didn't expect DND demand to warrant 77W service...

[seven13]

romantic_guy08 wrote

CTS I can understand... didn't expect DND demand to warrant 77W service...

Let me share the LF for CTS this December

08 - (J)92%/(Y)62% and 58%/94%
10 - 92%/60% and 42%/52%
12 - 42%/69% and 100%/58%
15 - 58%/78% and 33%/78%
17 - 83%/85% and 58%/73%
19 - 100%/94% and 83%/66%
22 - 90%/69% and 88%/55% (B777)
24 - 100%/85% and 67%/76%
26 - 100%/65% and 57%/62% (B777)
29 - 92%/74% and 92%/95%
31 - 50%/66% and 100%/70%
02 - 55%/58% and 88%/73% (B777)

Average LF for J is 73% and for Y is 69%

I am more surprised that HAN is doing 10X a week compared to SGN at 8X a week. PR just launched HAN and was able to increase it to 10x in a short time. A330s are flown on some occasions.

[filipinoavgeek]

Are you sure you are talking about HAN and not DAD? PR has been serving HAN for ages now, DAD is the new route.

[airline_builder]

Arianespace wrote

jaygimo wrote

Is it tolerable? Sure, but it will be a tight one.

Sure is. I just hope they reduce the premium non-st0p price for this litte tolerable inconvenience. But I would be avoiding this bird for long haul.

Totally Agree. It is funny that the so-called experts' "influencers" were all accorded with a business class seat when in fact, the bulk of the configuration is economy, and they were not critical of the fact that is is tight no matter how they spin it. 14-15 hours flight; good luck the negative feedback will hit them eventually from nowhere.  

[seven13]

filipinoavgeek wrote

Are you sure you are talking about HAN and not DAD? PR has been serving HAN for ages now, DAD is the new route.

 HAN was launched last 2019 just before the pandemic, compared to SGN, it is relatively newer. PR has been serving SGN for more than 20 years now and HAN got the increase in just few years after its launch.

[Arianespace]

By the way, the new Boeing 787-10IGW, with an MTOW of 260t (+6.4t, 6,330+430nm=6760nm) first introduced in 2019, which PAL has been looking very keenly, will fly for British Airways as its first operator, this March 2026, while Air NZ will take delivery of the first 789 IGW in February 2026. Told you they are forthcoming.

See the ACAP here. I think it was certified by the FAA only in October last year.
https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/boeingdotcom/commercial/airports/acaps/787_ACAP_Rev_Q.pdf

They will be looking at the real world performance of this bird before taking the plunge. The GE PIPs should likely bring this bird to 7000nm in range.

Why does PAL look at it with great interest? Because it can fly to LAX comfortably at 330 passengers (32 BUSINESS CLASS, 298 ECONOMY CLASS). While, the 254t version can only do SEA and YVR, this second generation dreamliner can fly you further to LAX. B787s are envisioned to replace 77w and A330 replacement, capacity wise. This early, you can already see PAL 77w going ME.

[ewh1]

When would PAL be able to get the B787s? There’s less of a backlog for the 10s, but would it make a difference in delivery times?

The B787 in PAL colors would look amazing and would it be unrealistic to see 25-30 of these jets in PAL’s livery?

If that’s the case, once the B777s are retired the A350-1000s would be good as a replacement and expansion of ME routes and Intra-Asia flights, right? On second thought, they are probably needed on East Coast flights though…

[Evodesire]

I was reading sir Mon Ortiz post on PAL getting the 787-10 instead of the A330neo. He pointed out payload and flexibility to serve both high traffic regional and ME. But if PAL is to order 787-10s today, when will they be delivered? AFAIK, A330N can be delivered as early as 2028 to 2029.

[seven13]

Evodesire wrote

I was reading sir Mon Ortiz post on PAL getting the 787-10 instead of the A330neo. He pointed out payload and flexibility to serve both high traffic regional and ME. But if PAL is to order 787-10s today, when will they be delivered? AFAIK, A330N can be delivered as early as 2028 to 2029.

If PR is planning to invest on the 330s and 777s refurbishment, as per Arianespace posts, it will be an extension of 6 years, so PR will be looking at 2032 onwards deliveries.

[romantic_guy08]

Stan as the next DOT secretary?

[romantic_guy08]

For the past 2-3 days, 359 has been doing the SYD... hope it continues in the next few months... or wonder where they'll fly next...

[seven13]

romantic_guy08 wrote

For the past 2-3 days, 359 has been doing the SYD... hope it continues in the next few months... or wonder where they'll fly next...

seven13 wrote

filipinoavgeek wrote

I was asking because I didn't see AviationUpdatesPH post about it.

I checked FR24 just to be sure. Yep, it’s already flying SGNMNL utilizing A321

PR to increase HNL to 6x a week from Jun 10 to Jul 14, 2026

PR to introduce A359 to SEA between Feb 24 to Apr 30, 2026

[Evodesire]

So if PAL were to order 787s this year, 2032 would be enough time. Or maybe as early as 2030 to replace the current tri-class A330s, which will most likely not be retrofitted anymore, and by 2032, should be okay to replace the 2027 retrofitted A330s.

[Arianespace]

ewh1 wrote

There’s less of a backlog for the 10s, but would it make a difference in delivery times?

No.

If that’s the case, once the B777s are retired the A350-1000s would be good as a replacement and expansion of ME routes and Intra-Asia flights, right? On second thought, they are probably needed on East Coast flights though…

Lets put it this way, B78X is envisioned by PAL to replace the A330 and the 77w upon their service retirement to intra-asia and ME. Not necessarily across the big pond, as the B789 is earmarked for that. PAL did learned its experiences very well when A330 crosses the big pond. It was not good for them financially. So they want a big plane that can leap there just in case, when the need arises. Make no mistake, A35k is still North American bound.

Another thing, while the A33n have the same single class density to the B78X, the difference really lies under the belly, as the airline is growing its cargo portfolio. Their ancillary revenue from cargo has been growing by leaps and bounds and BOD decided to push this low lying fruit further. I wouldn't be surprised if the pulled 77w does cargo service for them soon after retirement.

Evodesire wrote

I was reading sir Mon Ortiz post on PAL getting the 787-10 instead of the A330neo. He pointed out payload and flexibility to serve both high traffic regional and ME. But if PAL is to order 787-10s today, when will they be delivered? AFAIK, A330N can be delivered as early as 2028 to 2029.

This is correct. So you see, he also knows something coming from the inside. But he is far more fanboy than I am.

Nuttall stated earlier that new midsized jet order is coming in 2027. So that leaves the narrow this year.

seven13 wrote

If PR is planning to invest on the 330s and 777s refurbishment, as per Arianespace posts, it will be an extension of 6 years, so PR will be looking at 2032 onwards deliveries.

Yes. This is correct. 2032 onward deliveries. It fits with the timeline. At least, that is their projections at this time.

[JNC03]

On narrowbodies

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