Airlines In The Philippines III

[Solblanc]

Arianespace wrote

While 73 fills the void the other 350 is also now AOG. Wow. Its really getting tougher

Ouch. Will they cancel flights or operate them with a tech stop?

I can’t think of any airline that’s offloading A350s. And LH is showing no signs of letting go of their PR birds even with the allegris-fitted deliveries.

It’s gonna be a loooooong wait for the A35K.

Maybe they’ll get desperate and order the A338 hahahahaha

[Evodesire]

I saw the earning of PAL for the recent quarter which is just at +4M, compared to 5J at +2B. The beauty when you have a lot of new and efficient planes, sans the PW issue.

[seven13]

Planning already released it's plan until October. A number of regional flights will see reduced frequencies notably the short sector flights such as TPE, HKG, XMN and JJN. It's like PR never left 2022 when its operations went haywire when a number of ceos went AOG.

Was just checking FR24, 3501 flew out last 14JUN for maintenance. 7773 took almost 3 months to finish its maintenance. As soon as 73 landed last night, it immediately flew 116A, talk about shortage.

Remember when PR used the B744 to operate regional sectors after a transpacific flight during pre-SMC and then RSA rationalized its usage when he took over the airline. It's all happening once again. The B777s and A350s are being used to fly regional sectors after coming in from a longhaul flight.

Old (bad) habits die hard.

[airline_builder]

seven13 wrote

Planning already released it's plan until October. A number of regional flights will see reduced frequencies notably the short sector flights such as TPE, HKG, XMN and JJN. It's like PR never left 2022 when its operations went haywire when a number of ceos went AOG.

Was just checking FR24, 3501 flew out last 14JUN for maintenance. 7773 took almost 3 months to finish its maintenance. As soon as 73 landed last night, it immediately flew 116A, talk about shortage.

Remember when PR used the B744 to operate regional sectors after a transpacific flight during pre-SMC and then RSA rationalized its usage when he took over the airline. It's all happening once again. The B777s and A350s are being used to fly regional sectors after coming in from a longhaul flight.

Old (bad) habits die hard.

The Reactive Corporate practice that is PAL - unfortunately "utak jeepney" that is how they are currently running the airline.
In response to a fellow forum contributor here, this venue is not being negative nor derogatory to PAL. There is a thin line between being pessimistic and a realist. I think almost all of the participants here who seemed extremely concerned and may sound pessimistic are just downright realistic and acknowledging the fact that indeed if PAL continuously goes the way it does then it is on a steep descent as we are witnessing it. Somebody from the BOD needs to call out "PULL UP"

[JNC03]

Looks like PAL is busy in their museum right now

Some aviation bloggers are there earlier for a early sneak peek

[JNC03]

What is the plan for 8783?

It is still at CRK until now

[Evodesire]

seven13 wrote

Planning already released it's plan until October. A number of regional flights will see reduced frequencies notably the short sector flights such as TPE, HKG, XMN and JJN. It's like PR never left 2022 when its operations went haywire when a number of ceos went AOG.

Was just checking FR24, 3501 flew out last 14JUN for maintenance. 7773 took almost 3 months to finish its maintenance. As soon as 73 landed last night, it immediately flew 116A, talk about shortage.

Remember when PR used the B744 to operate regional sectors after a transpacific flight during pre-SMC and then RSA rationalized its usage when he took over the airline. It's all happening once again. The B777s and A350s are being used to fly regional sectors after coming in from a longhaul flight.

Old (bad) habits die hard.

That's the problem when you lack planes. The source of the problem is already right under their noses, yet, it seems that the BOD remains adamant. The solution is exactly what Cebu Pacific is doing now, having lots of planes. And enough planes on reserve in order to prevent cancellations.

And why is it taking too long for 7784 to arrive?

[Arianespace]

JNC03 wrote

What is the plan for 8783?

It is still at CRK until now

Replacement parts hasn't arrive yet

Evodesire wrote

And why is it taking too long for 7784 to arrive?

Saving money?

[Arianespace]

CAAP said CEB manifested intent to flying the A330 in major airports across the country, aside from CEB, DVO and GES, in the next 3 years. That is indeed a major capacity boost. So PPS will see a CEB 339 soon, and for the first time, ILO, BCD, ZAM, TAC and CGY. Airports on these destinations are being prepared to handle this bird as we speak.

So as we can see, CEB understood there is but a limited stand for them at T3. There is no other way but upscaling capacity.

[Evodesire]

Arianespace wrote

Saving money?

Which is actually causing them more money. Was this again, BOD decision to hold the delivery of 7784?

[Arianespace]

In the world of leasing, contract plays the game. But you could always advance commencement date. But then again management could argue they could earn more by defraying the particular expense, which is the lease. More so on this lean months. Procuring damage engine is 1/3 the cost of getting the lease. Kung baga, hintayin nalang natin ang repair. Mas mura kaysa magdagdag.

[JNC03]

Will this affect their offer to PAL?

Boeing has notified some 737 Max customers in recent weeks that aircraft due for delivery in 2025 and 2026 might face additional delays of three to six months, Bloomberg News reported on Thursday, citing people familiar with the matter.

[Evodesire]

However, they are lacking planes already. When one goes on technical, particularly the widebodies, then the whole flight is cancelled and some passengers are rebooked on other airlines. I mean, it seems like they are doing all they can to save money, but in effect, this is causing them more money due to cancelled flights and frequency reductions. Of course, their name too.

Doesn't the BOD recognize that? Again, why is Cebu Pacific taking in and leasing so much planes, contrary to what PAL is doing?

Not only are PAL's planes old, but they don't have enough planes either. All recipes for disaster. And going back to most of our main point here, PAL has to make a decision to order more planes soon. The line is getting longer as more and more airlines are ordering planes by huge quantities, let alone Cebu Pacific.

I am also sure Cebu Pacific is capitalizing on PAL's greatest weakness now. Old and the lack of planes.

[seven13]

Aren’t delivery slots part of the negotiations? As we vent out here, maybe PAL is negotiating for a favourable delivery slots then PR thingy later?

I mean yeah. We don’t hear anything now but when everything is in place then release the news to the public.

Also, there was a news sometime back about the additional capex of PR. I remember arianspace mentioning is larger than 5Js?

[Arianespace]

If you remember in 2012, CEB made the first order of neo fleets, then PAL followed. The first order to arrive however was PAL not CEB. So that is indeed part of discussions. Capex of PAL already increased to over a billion US after C11.

[Evodesire]

Hoping this happens again. With also a huge order. Not necessarily quantity wise but a good mix or wide bodies and narrow bodies. Hope PAL also considers that they need standby planes so I hope when they order, its not "exacto" lang sa capacity needed, but also enough they can use as back up aircraft.

[JNC03]

Another one overshoot at Busuanga

[JNC03]

RP-C3501 already arrived in MNL after maintenance

[Arianespace]

Presenting the denser Y259 seater A359. Two more row seats in Y. The old one has Y241. Installed by Ameco in Guangzhou. It would now become a 313 seater plane as compared to the old 295 seater plane. Still a comfortable plane. Interestingly, the company is a joint venture between Air China 75% and Lufthansa 25%.

Meanwhile, the upcoming A35k has two variants. Interesting.

[seven13]

Arianespace wrote

Presenting the denser Y259 seater A359. Two more row seats in Y. The old one has Y241. Installed by Ameco in Guangzhou. It would now become a 313 seater plane as compared to the old 295 seater plane. Still a comfortable plane. Interestingly, the company is a joint venture between Air China 75% and Lufthansa 25%.

Meanwhile, the upcoming A35k has two variants. Interesting.

Would you know how they tweaked the config with the 2 additional rows?

If they followed the LH one, I think 1 lav from L/R2 was removed to add ECY seats. I think I posted it somewhere after watching a trip report online