Airlines in the Philippines

[ewh1]

Hey, finally joined this site after being a lurker for a few months now. like everyone has said, much more refreshing to discuss stuff here rather than be around the kindergarten fairy tale land that its become on the other forums. especially annoying when you have been posting and reading since 2001!

Anyways, besides the Philippines, i also look at a lot of stuff from Edmonton, where I'm originally from in Canada. There is a rumour going around that an Asian flight is imminent within the next year and that its likely going to be Philippine Airlines.

Routing is said to be MNL-YVR-YEG and is suspected that it would be PAL since the rumour going around is that the flight would be 3x weekly and would timed conveniently based on their MNL-YVR Schedules.

Anyone hear of anything to substantiate this?

[Eurest]

The WS codeshare allows one to buy YEG-MNL on PR ticket but the YEG-YVR flights are on WestJet metal but you'll get PR's baggage allowance all through-out
I will ask if PR ticket holders will be given free pre-purchase meals on the WS flights

The PR itinerary is as follows:

PR 1911 / WS 337  YEG ETD 2205      YVR ETA 2044
PR 119                  YVR ETD 0125+1  MNL ETA 0725+2

PR 118                  MNL ETD 1500      YVR ETA 1100
PR 1904 / WS 180  YVR  ETD 1340     YEG ETA 1608

As for YEG getting a direct flight, though I have read it mentioned in a newspaper article, the Amadeus data doesn't seem to indicate demand would merit a co-terminal flight like YYZ

That said there is quite a change for PR Canada Ops in Summer 2016 as the dedicated YVR terminator flight [PR 116] is no longer listed and both YYZ [PR 118] and JFK[PR 126] terminating YVR flights will now inherit PR 118's schedule
Whereas now there are 2 YVR departures from MNL on Tu-We-Fr-Su, there is currently only one daily YVR departure listed from Summer 2016.


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Now that the US Ex-Im bank is once again funded thanks to hard lobbying by Boeing and GE, can I ask Santa to get PR a fleet of say 5 748i's?
There are 4 days of LAX flights and 3 days of SFO flights with 2 flights leaving 1:15 apart, so there is demand larger than a single B77W flight or 370 seats.
Imagine the savings going from 6-8 flight crew down to 3-4! You'll also only need fewer cabin crew!
Also, using the B748i for PR118 and PR126 allows for more JFK seats!

LH's FRA-EZE is merely 172mi less than MNL-LAX and that's still 80% of the nominal range of the new Queen. SO we knnow she has the legs for non-stop!
It does have a listed price of 360M but I'm willing to bet Boeing is ready to let them go for 50% off especially with an EX-IM bank as loan guarantor. That's 180-200M a plane easily fitting the 1B$ fund for the expansion. Just use the 4 alloted to TransAero!
Let's do it GECAS, Boeing and PR! 747-8i!!!

[Arianespace]

ewh1 wrote

Anyways, besides the Philippines, i also look at a lot of stuff from Edmonton, where I'm originally from in Canada. There is a rumour going around that an Asian flight is imminent within the next year and that its likely going to be Philippine Airlines.

Routing is said to be MNL-YVR-YEG and is suspected that it would be PAL since the rumour going around is that the flight would be 3x weekly and would timed conveniently based on their MNL-YVR Schedules.

Anyone hear of anything to substantiate this?

Eurest is right. But we could always decode it why it isn't so. The Philippines has 14 flight entitlements to Canada. The breakdown was posted in the previous pages.

If JFK is de-link from YVR soon I'm pretty sure, like the rest of us here, that ORD will take its place until it grows to support direct flight. You could actually anticipate this by studying the airline's behavior.

They could of course fly more by leasing ACA rights. And that will be adding overhead costs than propose projected revenues. Renting it will cover only points in CA and PH exclusive of US extension. The difference now is that PR is not that desperate to fly CA with CAT1 restored. It could change in the future though.

[ewh1]

Yeah, Both your analysis' make sense. The Westjet codeshares already help connect feed at minimal cost to PAL and ORD would feel more of an organic choice than a 3rd point in Canada in terms of economics of scale. Its just a bit fascinating seeing all these forumers dissect data from an reliable insiders' tidbits and tie the airline to be announced as PAL. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was true as we can all see from their route planners, they come up with some innovative and non conventional route choices (MNL to Auckland via Cairns and MNL to Las Vegas via YVR)

[Arianespace]

If you read few pages back we did actually discussed those things you mentioned.

[tigz]

I'm all for it!, I'll take the 748i anytime than the A380. On the outside its well proportioned and looks more agile than the Airbus behemoth. Its also an ideal size for PAL on the 300 above seat segment for the long haul!

[Eurest]

Airbus finally released its November orders figures

YTD figures for the A350-900 show a cancellation of 19 orders, the most recent 12 cancellations being that of TAP's conversion to the 14 A330-900 NEOs
That leaves a YTD net of 5 cancellations of the A359 as there were no new A350 orders in November.

Realistically, that leaves Airbus to offer 5 direct slots for the A350

Afaik ALAFCO, AWAS, and the CIT Group have 2017 delivery slots but I am unsure which ones are unplaced. AWAS and CIT are A330 lessors of PR

LN has 6 A350 slots starting at 2017, and with political strife still rampant in the country it is highly likely that these will be deferred. In fact, YL, who operates 2 ex-PR A319 leased from DAE, is having trouble with its ops.

The other likely deferral for 2017 A350 delivery slots are those from AF & KL because of the lower fuel prices as well as AF experiencing employee trouble. AF is supposedly eyeing to cancel its B787-9 orders as it looks to curtail future capex to improve its balance sheets.
KL will still take delivery of its B787s but it may want to defer their share of the A350s having just recently added the B787-9s

[tigz]

Which is airport did this Skyjet charter fly into?

[majaba]

Possibly Baguio is within the borders of Benguet, I´m not sure. If it were, do you think Baguio Airport is viable for such an undertaking ? I don´t think so.

[tigz]

Thought I'd ask that question sarcastically thinking our knack for aviation have somehow meddled our knowledge in geography. Of course Baguio is in the middle of Benguet Province but the capital is La Trinidad. Well, the Baguio Export processing zone is right off the perimeter of Loakan airport.

[majaba]

Loakan Airport is capable of transporting Airbus spare parts ? Isn´t the runway too short for cargo planes to take off with full pay load ? I would believe Airbus would be much better off at Subic or Clark.

[tigz]

Hard to say what mode of shipment will this parts companies use but air cargo is not always the option as they transport by bulk. Technically, Loakan runway is 737 or A320 capable but weight penalties will factor in as its a high altitude airport where air density is less. Surrounding terrain makes it also challenging for approach procedures since there is very little leeway for corrective measures during short finals. A C-130Herc is the most suitable transport if it needs be. Airlines fell short of their business here as poor visibility is acommon occurence and cloud build up can disorient a pilot in a matter of minutes.

[Arianespace]

They never transported parts via Loakan. It goes all the way to CRK and or SFS for shipping. Same goes with the materials.

[Eurest]

Is RP-C4106 the first one to be in 5J new livery? There's no current A320 in heavy C check getting the new livery?

[Evodesire]

So its Dec 24 already and in 7 days, 2015 will end. PAL has been mentioning that they will announce a wide body order before the year ends. Should we expect something by the 30th? Or are they playing the media again?

[Eurest]

I was told the board meeting for the selection happened on the last week of December, the only problem is I can't remember the specific date if it was the 21st, 27th (w/c is a Sunday) or the 29th w/c is this week.

Boeing will post its final 2015 orders (those after 12.22) on 1.07.2016, only 737s have been ordered as of 12.22.2015
The cutoff date for Airbus 2015 is also the 21st of December, but that is only for notifications.
In fact SAA and Airbus is expected to announce a deal on the 28th

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5J is widely expected to lease an add'l 2-3 more A333 frames because they were awarded the add'l 7 entitlements to the UAE as their A333s are already fully utilized and that the coming HNL flight would pull out one frame from domestic service.

Have you guys heard of any 5J feasibility studies for the 2nd UAE flight tranche? Last I was privvy to was the MNL-ITB service that proved to be non-commercially viable and that was domestic.

I asked if Germany had specified either DXB or AUH as an intermediate point but I've been told its only BKK, KHI, IKA, TLV and FCO as specified for Philippine carriers
Curiously, Eastern USA is an allowed beyond point from Germany

I wonder if 5J would do MNL-DXB-ORY/LGW

[Evodesire]

So this time with those A350 orders (as spilled by a PAL official), PAL is now working on expanding in Europe and more in USA. Any ideas in Europe aside from CDG? Will they bring back FRA and do direct flights to FCO too?

[chowpau]

4106 was the first I know and 4107 the following day after were painted in full colors

[Eurest]

I was told it was the other way around, 4107 was painted in Hamburg on the 21st while 4106 was painted on the 22nd as it had a stopover at Deols

[seven13]

Etihad Escapes Mandatory Cebu Flights
Emirates Does Triangle

29 December 2015

Etihad Airways has successfully circumvented the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) "must fly Cebu rule" as it utilizes new flight entitlements granted from the latest round of Air Service negotiations between the United Arab Emirates and the Philippines.

The gulf-based carrier got a nod from CAB to add three new weekly services between Abu Dhabi and Manila from May 1, 2016, offering a total of 17 return flights per week, while its Code share partner Philippine Airlines (PAL) flies the remaining four weekly services between Manila and Abu Dhabi providing the alliance with 21 flight entitlements per week.

According to the agreement, PAL will fly Cebu - Abu Dhabi sector via its hub in Manila and vice versa.

Meanwhile, the other Emirate airline will fly daily triangular services from Dubai to Cebu and Clark onward to Dubai beginning summer of next year as a condition for it to use new Manila entitlements equivalent to four weekly flights as it expands Dubai - Manila services to 17 weekly flights. Currently, the airline operates 14 flights a week.

Does this mean, PR needs to fly the addidtional 4 frequencies to AUH with EY codeshare?
So we'll now see EY code on MNLCEBMNL alongside with NH?