Airlines in the Philippines

[chowpau]

I heard either Clark area or in Benguet

[Arianespace]

Eurest wrote

I was hoping the signed ASA this week would finally allow PH carriers full 5th freedom rights in flying to IT like how CA allows it

Well its not. But you can pick passengers in DXB onwards to MNL. That matters most. In a similar fashion that they do the same to JED. After all UAE makes a living out of that, and we don't have 5th freedom rights from KSA either.

I don't think statements like these would help PR endear themselves to EY in hoping to get into the Equity Alliance.

That is actually the revised mission statement for the gulf region made famous by the erstwhile CEO. These narrative were also used by American carriers and some European ones. Bandwagon effect. So what else is new?

[Eurest]

Eurest wrote

MH is replacing the old angle-flat seats on their A333s with Thompson Vantage XLs
Config is 1-2-1/1-2-2 staggered alternating

The same seats are found on SAS, QF (suite variant), & B6

http://www.businesstraveller.com/asia-pacific/news/mab-introduces-new-business-class-product

It seems PR has selected the Thompson Vantage XLs for the A330 (cross section layout nose) for 7 rows all in a 1-2-1 configuration



While the B77W (overhead bins on the image) will be getting the Zodiac Cirrus




And yes, I went and checked the other forums but I forgot my log-in details so I can't post there
Where is this PPSG forum located and how does one join it?
I tried googling it and came up with the Philippine Presidential Security Group, that's not them right?

Again the 2017 dates make sense as the Cirrus is so backlogged VN had to get the first 4 A359s with the Solstys while the succeeding deliveries will now have the Cirrus as well.

As for the Vantage XL, it is fairly new and there's quite a large order from SAS, QF and MH already

[Arianespace]

Facebook.

Interesting indeed. I think those were taken during the presentation. There were others also vying for the same business.

[seven13]

This is in line with the goal to be a 4-star Skytrax rated by 2017, 5 star by 2020. New transit area in T2 , retrofitting the A330....uhmmm I am hoping for an improved catering service.

[Arianespace]

Yeah right. Although I doubt whether the Skytrax rating would improve revenue stream. It turned out a nightmare for GA.

[Eurest]

Lots of interesting info coming from PR its quite overwhelming

325 seat A350-900HGW? Could the odd number indicate a premium economy with 7or 8 abreast?
What biz seats are the A359s getting?



I also notice the Vantage are in leather while the Cirrus are cloth with a stitched pattern but are now in the old dark blue

I am impressed, especially as PR has one upped MH by going 1-2-1 instead of alternating 1-2-1/1-2-2 of MH

[maortega15]

Eurest wrote

I also notice the Vantage are in leather while the Cirrus are cloth with a stitched pattern but are now in the old dark blue

That's just a basic seat. Customers can actually customize seats to however they want! Like for the current Soegma seats Philippine Airlines has, they opted to omit the IFE system and chose the most basic color and trim. Another example would be CX. The now-popular Cirrus seat was only being used by US Airways when it first came out. When CX chose the Cirrus seat a few years ago, they heavily customized the seat which made it popular today.

[Eurest]

maortega15 wrote

Eurest wrote

I also notice the Vantage are in leather while the Cirrus are cloth with a stitched pattern but are now in the old dark blue

That's just a basic seat. Customers can actually customize seats to however they want! Like for the current Soegma seats Philippine Airlines has, they opted to omit the IFE system and chose the most basic color and trim. Another example would be CX. The now-popular Cirrus seat was only being used by US Airways when it first came out. When CX chose the Cirrus seat a few years ago, they heavily customized the seat which made it popular today.

I don't think they are the basic seats but are the ones to be implemented for PR as each carrier gets to chose color and material at point of sale based on their styling choice.
CX customizes their seats with the aid of Eddie Lau while QF's modified Thompson vantage XLs were Marc Newsom designed not just the fabris but the outer shell of the seats.

The "base" model Vantage XL comes in cream

[maortega15]

Eurest wrote

I don't think they are the basic seats but are the ones to be implemented for PR as each carrier gets to chose color and material at point of sale based on their styling choice.
CX customizes their seats with the aid of Eddie Lau while QF's modified Thompson vantage XLs were Marc Newsom designed not just the fabris but the outer shell of the seats.

The "base" model Vantage XL comes in cream

I think the word I was looking for was "barebone" where they select it off the catalog. Actually, Eddie Lau designed the Cathay uniforms. The Cathay seats were designed by James Park Associates.
 

[Eurest]

Thanks for the correction on the CX designer, and yes the barebone Thompson Vantage Seats do come in cream.
I believe the barebones Cirrus are teal or blue-green.

BTW are you CX right seat based in YVR?

[maortega15]

Eurest wrote

BTW are you CX right seat based in YVR?

Based in Hong Kong actually.

[majaba]

In Benguet ? Isn´t that a mountainous area with no airport at all ?

[tigz]

Isn't it not Baguio is inside Benguet province?

[Eurest]

The Airbus Tianjin Logistics Hub is where the parts manufactured by the Airbus China facilities in Harbin, Shenyang, Tianjin, Xi’an, Chengdu and Shanghai are located near the A320 FAL line.

So will the PH facility be a mere logistics hub or a manufacturing center mirroring the various facilities in mainland China?

Given that the China AATO has 5 full flight sims divided into 3 A320s, 1 A330/A340 and 1 Eurocopter model whereas the PH AATO has 2 full A330/340 sims, the PH spare parts logistics or manufacturing might specialize in the A330/340 family as well.

If Airbus decides to go both logistics & manufacturing, we might see manufacturing in the Cordilleras and the logistics hub in CRK mirroring the style in China

This is all just my speculation though but it makes sense for the EU to focus on the A350 & A380 while Airbus can use the cheaper factories in Asia (China, India and hopefully the PH) to minimize the costs of the A330CEO/Regional/NEO so that it can continue to sell the A330 family cheaper than the B787 series

At first it does not make sense for Airbus to have a facility like this in the PH, but with the looming Russian-Sino widebody in the pipeworks, Airbus would be smart to have a facility in a location where labour is cheaper but where there is no threat of its IP getting pirated by a potential future competitor with a history of blatant rip-offs.

At first I was skeptical as well, but after thinking about it it does make sense.
1992 Airbus China was nowhere the size and capability where it is now, who knows what an Airbus PH facility could look like by 2030 when the PH is supposed to be the 16th largest economy in the world with a Trilllion$ GDP

[tigz]

You are correct on Chinas propensity to come down with big time knock-offs. Forget about retail and electronics, aviation is their next frontier on copy cats. Anyone seen their stealths?, no big difference than the USAF F-35 Lightining and F-22Raptors. Perhaps the FBI is closely on the watch with the Chinese economic diplomants and exchange students. As for Airbus, I'd long be wary with their sub-contracts in mainland China!

[Arianespace]

I'm impressed. You do read well between the lines. The latest round of negotiation has more to do with A320 jet production in PH soil. Nothing concrete yet on this front.

Makes me wonder, could Airbus be having problems with China?


In another buzz, there was allegedly "sabon" happening at PR last Friday.  Other news outlet was trying to reach PAL about this story broken by Ms. Arnaldo. None got answers. I wonder why?

It seems the airline's policy is still this line, if you ask their spokesperson;

Philippine Airlines Inc., is still in talks with Airbus Group and Boeing Co. for wide body jets and will decide on purchase before the end of the year.

At least that is what the reporter got. Toeing the press line has of course its benefits, invites for free inaugural flight in exchange for good PR. Meanwhile the two execs went into hibernation.

[tigz]

Well I guess unless the contract is signed they won't call it official!

[Arianespace]

And the boss has spoken from Auckland

 
by Fil C. Sionil
December 6, 2015

Auckland, New Zealand – The Philippines will decide before Christmas from which manufacturer it will buy the additional five airplanes estimated to be worth over $1 billion. It is a toss between Toulouse-based Airbus and Seattle-based Boeing.

Airlines (PAL) President Jaime J. Bautista disclosed to Manila Bulletin that PAL Board is scheduled to decide on December 21.

Bautista told the Manila Bulletin that 20 percent of the $1-billion expansion program budget will be from internally generated funds while 80 percent will be bank financing.

Should plans go according to schedule, Gozon said the delivery of the new airplanes will be over the next five years, starting sometime in 2017 or 2018.

Read more at http://www.mb.com.ph/pal-weighs-choice-of-aircraft-for-5-addl-planes-worth-1-billion/#hqLwUk8ZId4PspxP.99

If we have to be honest about it, only the bold part matters. Decision has been made, Lessor identified, delivery schedule set, and funding almost complete.

By the looks of it they gonna order four, and lease the two, while keeping the 6 possible options. Closing date of offer is December 31 so they still have plenty of time to do the paperworks, in Christmas time.

[kintoy]

Hi, just dropping by to say hello. This forum is a breath of fresh air :)



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