Airlines In The Philippines III

[Arianespace]

ewh1 wrote

Is this one of those subtle clues we should be expecting an announcement in 2025?

https://aviationweek.com/mro/aircraft-propulsion/philippine-airlines-eyeing-2025-next-fleet-decision

 
Roland Narcisco, PAL SVP of operations group, said at MRO Asia Pacific that the delivery of its Airbus A350 has been pushed from the third quarter of 2025 to the fourth quarter of 2025 and similarly, the A321neo was delayed from 2026 to no new firm date. 

To ensure commonality and cater to passengers’ demands, PAL will start the retrofit of 18 A321ceos in mid-2025 with similar A321neo products, including inflight entertainment (IFE). The program will be completed by 2027.

PAL has opted not to retrofit its nine Boeing 777-300ERs given the leases for those aircraft are close to expiring.

Narcisco said to look and plan beyond 2028, the airline must decide by 2025 if it should refleet or retrofit aircraft such as the Airbus A330 or Dash 8 turboprops

Told this forum before announcement has been deferred. For the third time. But never expected delivery of new planes to likewise be delayed also. You failed to mentioned the most important. That is the news, while the rest are repetitions. That pretty sure gives you an idea WHO is in control. Not the in-law or the apo.

[Solblanc]

Arianespace wrote

ewh1 wrote

Is this one of those subtle clues we should be expecting an announcement in 2025?

https://aviationweek.com/mro/aircraft-propulsion/philippine-airlines-eyeing-2025-next-fleet-decision

 
Roland Narcisco, PAL SVP of operations group, said at MRO Asia Pacific that the delivery of its Airbus A350 has been pushed from the third quarter of 2025 to the fourth quarter of 2025 and similarly, the A321neo was delayed from 2026 to no new firm date. 

To ensure commonality and cater to passengers’ demands, PAL will start the retrofit of 18 A321ceos in mid-2025 with similar A321neo products, including inflight entertainment (IFE). The program will be completed by 2027.

PAL has opted not to retrofit its nine Boeing 777-300ERs given the leases for those aircraft are close to expiring.

Narcisco said to look and plan beyond 2028, the airline must decide by 2025 if it should refleet or retrofit aircraft such as the Airbus A330 or Dash 8 turboprops

Told this forum before announcement has been deferred. For the third time. But never expected delivery of new planes to likewise be delayed also. You failed to mentioned the most important. That is the news, while the rest are repetitions. That pretty sure gives you an idea WHO is in control. Not the in-law or the apo.



Linking back to what you previously said, you mentioned that the Boeing offer was good until October. October is next week. Will that Boeing offer still be on the table in 2025? What's going to be left in 2025? What decision is there to make next year? Scramble to lease leftovers? Put more routes on Wamos?

The delayed arrival of planes is a little funny, because the planes just keep coming in for Cebu Pacific. Perhaps 2P can hope to get the planes that 5J is retiring. Or perhaps PAL can get Cebu Pacific's last old A330 and restart Dammam.

As it stands, three major medium-haul routes are out of commission. SYD/MEL resorting to wet lease until next year and DMM suspended is supposed to be normal? SEA starting without a plane is supposed to be normal? Thank goodness they have a captive market to keep them alive.

[JNC03]

Atleast they said that A330 and Q400 are due for refleeting.

They didn't mentioned about the A320s of PALEx which are also due for replacement.

For the A320s which obviously cannot be refurbished anymore, the airline didn't mention anything about it.
Since the Boeing package deal is only good until October this year, they can order some narrowbody aircraft anytime now from the aircraft manufacturer and the widebody will follow next year so the deal will be sealed before it lapses.

[Solblanc]

In other news, we have a new J seat on the market:

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2024/09/thompson-unveils-impressive-hybrid-herringbone-vantagenova-suite/

PAL already has a relationship with Thompson aero. 40 of these seats in the front cabin of the a35k can in theory squeeze out enough space for 16-20 premium economy seats behind. If all of that can fit between doors 1 and 2, PAL will be able to fit enough economy seats for 380+ capacity without having to resort to 10-abreast.

Thompson aéro said the launch customer is for a 2026 delivery though. PAL’s first a350 is coming 2025, ruling them out, unless the delay is because they’d want this product…

[Evodesire]

Arianespace wrote

ewh1 wrote

Is this one of those subtle clues we should be expecting an announcement in 2025?

https://aviationweek.com/mro/aircraft-propulsion/philippine-airlines-eyeing-2025-next-fleet-decision

 
Roland Narcisco, PAL SVP of operations group, said at MRO Asia Pacific that the delivery of its Airbus A350 has been pushed from the third quarter of 2025 to the fourth quarter of 2025 and similarly, the A321neo was delayed from 2026 to no new firm date. 

To ensure commonality and cater to passengers’ demands, PAL will start the retrofit of 18 A321ceos in mid-2025 with similar A321neo products, including inflight entertainment (IFE). The program will be completed by 2027.

PAL has opted not to retrofit its nine Boeing 777-300ERs given the leases for those aircraft are close to expiring.

Narcisco said to look and plan beyond 2028, the airline must decide by 2025 if it should refleet or retrofit aircraft such as the Airbus A330 or Dash 8 turboprops

Told this forum before announcement has been deferred. For the third time. But never expected delivery of new planes to likewise be delayed also. You failed to mentioned the most important. That is the news, while the rest are repetitions. That pretty sure gives you an idea WHO is in control. Not the in-law or the apo.


Knew it!!! I had a big feeling the A35K deliveries will be pushed back. Let's see if it will be pushed back again. Considering they badly need the new planes. Yes, its obvious who are in control of PAL. With what we are all seeing.

I remember during the time of JJB, he would rush the delivery of planes. I remember PAL also receiving two 777s at the same time. I remember that the A359s were supposed to be delivered until 2020-21 I think originally. They were rushed and all six were delivered in a span of barely two years.

[Arianespace]

Solblanc wrote

Linking back to what you previously said, you mentioned that the Boeing offer was good until October. October is next week. Will that Boeing offer still be on the table in 2025? What's going to be left in 2025? What decision is there to make next year? Scramble to lease leftovers? Put more routes on Wamos?

The delayed arrival of planes is a little funny, because the planes just keep coming in for Cebu Pacific. Perhaps 2P can hope to get the planes that 5J is retiring. Or perhaps PAL can get Cebu Pacific's last old A330 and restart Dammam.

As it stands, three major medium-haul routes are out of commission. SYD/MEL resorting to wet lease until next year and DMM suspended is supposed to be normal? SEA starting without a plane is supposed to be normal? Thank goodness they have a captive market to keep them alive.

The thing about aircraft orders is the airline directly orders the plane from manufacturer, as most of their planes were, then sell them under leaseback. It is then followed by operating leases for subsequent frames. It appears now that they are reversing this past strategy, with operating lease first and financial leases follow, like talking to lessors which already ordered the plane from manufacturer. If my understanding is correct. This is not PAL orders but lessor orders, so it wouldn't be attributed to them. Still, it remains to be seen if my speculation is accurate.

Historically, PAL did this before in 1987, taking the Fokker 50 and the Boeing 737s from lessors, replacing the F27s and the BAC1-11. So the strategy is not new.

It is also possible that confidential MOA would be sealed pending financial result announcement. Although speculative, that always happen. You could see this in either Airbus or Boeing as "unidentified" customers. The best chance of figuring this out is to see their updated order sheets in the coming days.

[JNC03]

In speaking of fleet and possible refleeting of Q400

Embraer has announced it has signed agreements with two MRO (maintenance, Repair, and Overhaul) providers in the Asia-Pacific region that will offer authorized service centers for the Embraer E-Jet and E2 series of regional jets.

The agreements with SIA Engineering (Philippines) Corporation (SIAEC) and Fokker Services Group (FSG) will see the two companies provide various engineering support services for Embraer E-Jets that are already operating with several carriers in the region, with more due to be delivered in the coming years.

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/embraer-authorized-service-centers-asia-pacific?

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

Another foreign airline is now tapping Starlink for WiFi services via AF. Another treat for MNL passengers next year

https://x.com/AFnewsroom/status/1839258947150307754?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1839258947150307754%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[Evodesire]

I see more of Sunlight Air acquiring the E-175. They are eyeing it. Either used A320s or bnew E175-E2s.

[Solblanc]

Evodesire wrote

I see more of Sunlight Air acquiring the E-175. They are eyeing it. Either used A320s or bnew E175-E2s.

The E175-E2 is on hold though. Only the original E1 170/175 are in production. The only E2s available are the E190/195 E2.

Hope sunlight does well. We do need more competition

[Arianespace]

Speaking of Sunlight, they are slowly returning to Manila again, this time at Terminal 2. Busuanga and Siargao is being worked at.

Boutique airline Sunlight Air will reintroduce services between Manila and Busuanga (Coron) starting Oct. 27, it announced on Thursday.

“The Manila-Busuanga route has always been in demand among our passengers since it was Sunlight Air’s first route when it launched," airline CEO Ryna Brito-Garcia said in a statement.

Sunlight Air introduced the Busuanga-Manila route with its inaugural flight on Dec. 17, 2020.

However, operations for this route were moved to Clark on April 1, 2024 to boost efficiency and enhance customer service.

"Having recently celebrated Sunlight Air’s 5th anniversary, the return of Manila-Busuanga flights is aligned with our goal of bringing more passengers to underserved local destinations to see and experience more of what our unique islands have to offer,” Garcia said.

The airline said daily nonstop services to and from Busuanga will operate via the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 2.
https://www.sunstar.com.ph/manila/sunlight-air-to-relaunch-manila-busuanga-flights-in-october

Currently, Sunlight Air operates flights to Siargao, San Vicente, Coron, and Busuanga in Palawan; Caticlan, Aklan; Iloilo; Cagayan de Oro; and Cebu.

[JNC03]

Terminal 2🤔

Preparing for their narrowbody fleet?

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

5J is planning for MNL-CTS once they confirm sufficient Jet Fuel supply this winter

https://insiderph.com/insider-info-northern-japan-city-on-cebu-pacifics-radar-pending-fuel-supply-fix

[Arianespace]

Cebu Pacific is set to accept a total of 18 neo aircraft this year, of which 11 have already arrived. There are still new routes set to be launch.

In other news, the old A320 would still be here for an extended period of time. They are powered by CFM56 engines. CEB is getting all the growth traffic.

SR Technics has signed an extension of the CFM56-5B engine maintenance agreement with Cebu Pacific in the Philippines.

The latest contract extension underscores the strong partnership between Cebu Pacific and SR Technics established in 2011.

Under the agreement, SR Technics provides maintenance for CFM56-5B engines, the platform that powers Cebu Pacific’s A320 family aircraft.
https://asianaviation.com/sr-technics-extends-cfm56-5b-mro-deal-with-cebu-pacific/

As to the airframe, CEB secures Lufthansa Technik Shenzhen (LTS) for A320ceo-A321ceo fleet maintenance:

Starting in October, Lufthansa Technik Shenzhen (LTS) will provide Airframe Related Components services for the Airbus A320ceo and A321ceo fleets of Cebu Pacific, one of the leading low-cost carriers in the Asia-Pacific region. The agreement, signed this Wednesday at MRO Asia-Pacific, specifically covers maintenance, repair, overhaul (MRO), and spare unit support for engine nacelle components including inlet and fan cowling, thrust reverser, and nozzle.
https://asianaviation.com/cebu-pacific-and-lufthansa-technik-extend-partnership/

[Evodesire]

12 delivered, 4 more to go!

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

No word on the XLRs despite being one of the first customers

[Solblanc]

Gustavo J Oppenheimer wrote

No word on the XLRs despite being one of the first customers

5J doubled down on Pratt & Whitney. So far, only the CFM XLR has been certified. The PW XLR is still awaiting certification.

[JNC03]

Its converted to regular ones as per my sources

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

So they converted the XLR orders to the NEO. Sad, I guess the PW certification made the delays happen.

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

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