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Re: PAL LHR SLOT

Arianespace
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Good to know that they are not flying yet. I've heard of a middle east airline that was interested before. Didn't know it was QR. Anyway, Speedbird operates it with a A320 currently.
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Re: PAL

JNC03
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US imposed 20% tarrif to the Philippines, will it impact the marketability of Boeing jets in the country?

Philippine Airforce will also acquire new presidential jet for 8.8 Billion pesos
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Re: PAL

Arianespace
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Tariff applies to Philippine exports to US like electronics and semiconductors. It does not apply to imported ones unless our country imposed reciprocal tariffs like China.
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Re: PAL

filipinoavgeek
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Where did you read about the new PAF presidential jet? I can't find a news article about it.
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Re: PAL

JNC03
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Philippine government will have discussion with US to lower it, buying more US products might be a good idea to slightly lower it
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Re: PAL

Darkknight85
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Here.
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Re: PAL

filipinoavgeek
Could you post a link or a better quality image? It's illegible.
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Re: PAL

Darkknight85


Here. My apologies.
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Re: PAL

filipinoavgeek
Doesn't the PAF already have multiple presidential aircraft? They already have a few private jets.
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Re: PAL

Darkknight85
The Gulfstream G280 and Hawker 800XP. I believe they are getting a much bigger Presidential aircraft. A320ACJ perhaps.
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Re: PAL

JNC03
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The Gulfstreams they use are not really owned by PAF aside from the G280 with registry 1251

These are the aircrafts chartered by government in the last few years

Owned by Cayman Aero/Challenger
VP-CFE GLF650ER
VP-CMD GLF550
RP-C5219 GLF550

Unknown owners
N868BB GLF450
N883PG PC24

Owner by Misibis Bay
RP-C8575 GLF350 ex VP-CAP
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Re: PAL

Arianespace
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There are only 2 Filipino corporations registered in the Cayman Islands that is involved in Aviation. One operates an airport, the other one operates an airline. Go figure

Anyhow, the ownership of one aircraft was already answered in the previous pages. Notwithstanding, layers of corporate structuring.
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Re: PAL

JNC03
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Marcos Jr will visit US next week

A venue where they can announce deals between US aircraft manufacturers and Philippine companies if any
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Re: AirAsia

Gustavo J Oppenheimer
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AirAsia plans to increase their PH fleet from 15 to 21 this year while they expect to add at least 2-4 aircraft per year starting 2026

AA Leadership also confirms studying the possibility to launch direct PH-India flights

https://business.inquirer.net/534864/airasia-philippines-hopes-to-get-10-20-more-aircraft

https://www.bworldonline.com/corporate/2025/07/11/684599/airasia-philippines-studying-phl-india-service/
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Re: PAL - Marcos Trip

airline_builder
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This may be traditional among heads of state visiting the US with significant order on commercial aircraft on the following setting:
> is a vital trade partner of the US
> the airline is somehow government owned
> airline is privately owned by is a shareholder of major US multinational companies
> the airline is subsidized regardless of cost

at the rate PAL is, it is privately owned. Ordering a US manufactured plane via a HOS visit would do exactly what for the Tans?
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ASA Australia

Arianespace
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The Philippines is set to hold bilateral air services talks with Australia on Friday as it pushes to double the number of weekly flight entitlements between the two countries, amid rising demand for travel.

The Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) is requesting an increase in flight entitlements to 60,000 seats per week, up from the current 30,000, according to CAB executive director Carmelo Arcilla.

The negotiations will be led by the Philippine Air Services Negotiating Panel, composed of officials from the CAB, Department of Tourism, Department of Transportation, Department of Foreign Affairs, Clark International Airport Corp., and representatives from local airlines.

“The government requested these talks to give local carriers room to expand and respond to growing market demand,” Arcilla told reporters.
https://bilyonaryo.com/2025/07/09/philippines-wants-to-double-air-traffic-rights-with-australia-amid-travel-boom/travel/
ED Arcilla never bothered to tell which route is requested to be increased. This forum will tell you what.
Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. These are the only airports that still relies on seat counts. The rest of Australia is open skies. Beneficiary is CEB as they want to increase services but curtailed by seat limitations.
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Re: PAL

xzibit31
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My personal notes regarding my experience transiting MNL.

✈ A Misguided Terminal Transfer: My T2 to T1 Experience at NAIA—and How It Can Be Fixed

On May 26, 2025, I flew from Davao to Osaka via Manila (PR1804 and PR412)—a common route for international travelers passing through NAIA. My flight from Davao (DVO) departed on time and landed at Manila (MNL) ahead of schedule. However, what should have been a straightforward terminal transfer turned into a stressful, poorly coordinated ordeal due to procedural inefficiencies between Terminal 2 (T2) and Terminal 1 (T1).

🛬 An Unexpected Detour—Even in the Right Terminal

Although I was expecting to arrive at Terminal 2, our flight surprisingly deplaned at Terminal 1—which, under normal circumstances, would have been great news. My connecting international flight to Osaka was also departing from T1, so I assumed I could proceed straight to immigration and my gate.

But logic didn’t apply.

Instead, all passengers—including those with international connections at T1—were instructed to wait for a bus to T2. We remained in the aircraft for about 20 minutes waiting for the shuttle. I explained to the ramp agent that my connecting flight was at T1, but I was told the protocol required us to go to T2 first, then transfer back again to T1.

⏱ Wasting Time on a Loop

From deplaning at T1 to reaching the Transfer Desk at T2, the process took nearly 45 minutes, mostly due to delays in shuttle availability. Once at the desk, I waited another 30 minutes for the next bus back to Terminal 1.

By the time I finally arrived at T1 immigration, I had just 45 minutes left before my flight to Osaka was scheduled to depart. Boarding was already in progress.

👏 A Lucky Break, Thanks to One Efficient Staff Member

I approached a woman from NAIA/MIAA  T1 operations and quickly explained the situation. Thankfully, she understood the urgency and escorted me to a nearby immigration counter used for crew, diplomats, and VIPs. My passport was stamped without delay, and I sprinted to the gate—arriving just as they were calling my name for final boarding.

Had she not stepped in, I likely would have missed my flight—through no fault of my own.

🚧 The Real Problem: Outdated Procedures and Poor Terminal Coordination

This entire situation could have been avoided if NAIA had a more logical, passenger-centered transfer process in place. The current protocol forces passengers into unnecessary terminal hops—even when they’re already at the correct terminal. It’s inefficient, confusing, and exposes travelers to a high risk of missing their connections.

✅ Solutions to Improve the NAIA Transfer Experience

Here are concrete steps NAIA can take to prevent situations like mine:

1. Allow Same-Terminal Transfers When Applicable

If a passenger arrives at T1 and their connecting flight also departs from T1, they should be permitted to remain in the terminal and proceed directly to immigration—no back-and-forth to T2 required.

2. Improve Shuttle Coordination and Frequency

For passengers who genuinely need to transfer terminals, priority shuttle services should be made available, especially for those with tight connections. Waiting 20–30 minutes between buses is unacceptable in an international hub.

3. Empower Transfer Desks to Handle Immigration

Provide a small immigration counter available at the T2 International Transfer Desk. Staff should be trained to inform eligible passengers that they can process immigration there instead of transferring again.

4. Use Centralized Passenger Data for Smarter Routing

With access to flight schedules and connection details, NAIA operations should be able to identify passengers with same-terminal connections and route them directly, bypassing unnecessary steps.

5. Formalize Expedited Immigration for Imminent Departures

Just like other global airports, NAIA should have a designated immigration lane for passengers in danger of missing their flight due to airport-induced delays. What I experienced was only possible because a kind staff member made an exception—not because there’s an official process.

✈ Final Thoughts

We were a group of three passengers—on time, at the right terminal, with valid tickets and boarding passes—and yet we nearly missed our flight because of a flawed system that ignored basic logic.

This isn’t just about inconvenience. It's about protecting travelers from unnecessary stress, financial loss, and disrupted travel plans.

NAIA must modernize its terminal transfer process, empower its staff to make situational decisions, and ensure that efficiency—not blind procedure—is the priority.

Because passengers like us shouldn’t have to rely on luck to catch a flight we were already on time for.

Let’s fix this system. Travelers deserve better.

Note: Our Transit time in MNL should have been an uneventful 2 hours. It turned out to be the most stressful 2 hours in my travel experience.
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xzibit31 journey to Osaka

Arianespace
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This post was updated on .
Most of your concerns isn't caused by the airline but security protocols imposed at international airports worldwide. So its neither NNIC.

Answers:
1.First you must distinguished airports whether domestic or international as additional protocols are imposed on the latter's terminal, ie ICQs. You could have considered those. I guess there were lapses on your part, considering you know better than the rest of the two.

The problem you had is you are domestic going international. Your proposal is not going to happen.

International arriving passengers doesn't have problems transiting the same terminals for international destinations. I have witnessed it myself.

T1 for example, arriving passengers with international transfer are herded to transfer desks located before the passport control. Like all international terminals, they undergo the same security protocols.

Domestic arriving passenger does have a problem with that. What you have witnessed is bay optimization, where domestic aircraft is used for international flight and vice versa.

The thing about bay optimization is airlines have the bay never the gate, meaning it doesn't use the terminal while it disembark passengers. That is the reason you go down the stairs at the side of the tube to be bussed where your designated terminal is. Same thing happens to the cargo on board.

This is not the first time either, as CEB has been doing it at T3 for quite a while now, before the pandemic began.

2. NNIC shuttle departs every 15 minutes. In between, PAL shuttle departs every 15 minutes. So you have 7 minutes if you wished to be shuttled to t2 and 15 minutes for t3. Not bad. If you have shorter connection, you are usually told to take airport taxi instead. That you didn't take. Mistake no.2. 2 hour is very short connection.

3. Not possible. answer at number 1.

4. Not possible. You are asking for a centralize terminal when NAIA is not.

That is possible only on a Terminal by terminal scenario, and unless you are international passenger. Airlines knew where their passengers are coming from. So they wait at the gate for you for your immediate transfer should your flight arrive late. PAL has been doing that at T1. Not for domestic passengers though. Again same answer as number 1.

5. That is not NNIC concern but that of government particularly BI. What is peculiar about our immigration pattern is OFW traffic, where they have separate lanes for further verification of their papers to make sure their deployment is ligitimate.

Even the tourism lane is now invaded by unscrupolous employer abroad, so a thorough check on your departure is required to make you safe.

Can you imagine a tourist going to Siem Riep without a job back home or salary incapable of paying fares and hotels. Much more an empty stamp passport. That instantly register as red notice.

But your concern is ligitimate. For regular traveler, its usually a breeze. I've been using e-gates and its so darn slow unlike in other countries. What they need is for upgraded software for them to work faster.

I hope this brings order to your otherwise stressful journey. Remember, procedures are there for our own safety and convenience. You just broke two of them. And made it. Without the convenience. Sounds fair to me.

Notes: Airlines do wait for you when you're already checked-in and wiggle your way out of immigration. In fact, they are usually there calling your name if you are last one. Most likely than not, you and your company were not the last one. There are still others at the back doing the late check-in as usual. Check-in counter closes 1 hour before departure.
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Re: ASA Australia

justhorace
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CEB is doing a bit of promotion in MEL here and there. I think they hosted a party/launch last month and got all these Australian influencers coming to visit the Philippines. I don't know what the stats are overall, but Filipino tourist traffic growth into Australia is flat. As for longer term visitors/immigrants, I'm not too sure. Anecdotally, Filipino families are becoming more visible in the city and Queen Victoria Market hosted two Filipino food events this year, which I think is the most they ever had.

On another note, I saw a CAB notice for the renewal of GA's FACP. It would be interesting if they plan to restore services to Jakarta after all these years. But it could also be about the reinstatement of its Manado flights from Davao. I think that was subsidised? Or it could be a completely different thing altogether.  
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Re: ASA Australia

filipinoavgeek
I don't think Manado-Davao could be restored as they retired their turboprop fleet.
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