When the crisis has placed under control and air travel restrictions have been lifted, what changes do you see will happen in our airline industry? Do you think PAL will return some of those A321-200s? Well the deferment of delivery of aircraft is now quite obvious and a new wide body aircraft within the year won't happen anytime soon.
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Some interesting facts happen at PAL Holdings meeting yesterday July 23.
For one, Viv and his half brother John G. Tan resigned from the Board less than a year from their post for “personal reasons.” Second, they withdraw their nomination as board members for cy 2020-2021. A nominee for independent director, Mark M. Chen, also backed out of the nomination. Patrick L. Go took Chen’s place as independent director. Third, Lucio Tan took chairman, president, CEO and COO posts from Gilbert Sta. Maria. Seating on the 11 man board are husband and wife Lucio and Carmen, son-in-laws Joseph T. Chua, Johnip G. Cua, Lucio “Hun Hun” C. Tan who is the son of Bong, Gregorio T. Yu, Gilbert Sta. Maria, and Ryuhei Maeda from ANA. So what gives? We could be seeing belt tightening.
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However, Gilbert is still President and COO of Philippine Airlines Inc., right?
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Some more interesting insights:
My take, I think the two vacant director post will end up with the government, GSIS and Landbank seats, after capital infusions, tailored similarly to IAG support by Boris Johnson. I won't be surprise anymore if this is where its heading. Cathay Pacific does it so why wouldn't we? After all, only PAL is the truly private carrier in ASEAN region.
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And some more writings on the wall...
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How accurate is this? What I heard is 2 777, 3 A330, 4 A321.
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The most likely aircraft types are likely to see a downsized in numbers A321ceo, Bi-class A330-300 (8760 to 8771), and B777-300ER (7772 to 7777). I did not consider the A320-200 as they are in the process of being returned to there lessors or transfered to GAP even before COVID-19 though its possible they are also included in the 10 aircraft that are to be returned to lessors. |
It’s a little worrying that even a350s are on the chopping block. If anything, they should be kept over a330s as they’re more flexible.
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Although I have my doubt of PAL removing any of there A350. But from what I heard the leasing rates are quite when compared to either the A330 and B777 so it is a certain possibility. Another possibility is PAL will phased out there entire B77W fleet similar to Delta did with there B772/77L which was quite shocking as they recently just completed a multi-million dollar retrofit program with new seats in Main Cabin and introducing both Premium Select and Delta One Suites. |
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PAL needs both the 77Ws and the XWBs. Right now, their numbers however are not reflective of demand. Some must go for longer storage.
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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/2020/08/pal-trims-widebody-fleet.html?m=1
Apparently three A330-300 three A350-900 and four B777-300ER are in the process of being returned. For the A333 I think the most likely once to be returned are the Bi-class configured as they are mainly use on ME routes or high demand regional and domestic routes which are likely to much capacity for PAL and refurbishing them like the Tri-class A333 would be also costly. I'm surprised the A359 is also included. Although the lease rate for them are quite high so may be that is the reason why its included. Its also possible that PAL will not contiune with the plan to returned the A359 as its the right-sized aircraft for recovery for long-haul destinations. The B773 on the other hand isn't surprising to me as its the largest aircraft type in PAL fleet and with most forcast estimate a 2 to 4 year recovery for long-haul travel it was going to be the first type that will see a reduction in numbers IMO. Also six B777 would be enough numbers for PAL's high demand long-haul routes such as Los Angelas, San Francisco and Toronto or Vancouver. No mentioned of the A320/A321 yet. But the A320 was in process of being returned to there lessors while I see the excess A321ceo being returned to there lessors as PAL will need to take the A321neo they have on order eventually its also possible PAL will converted some of the order for the A320neo? |
Just wait for the official word from PAL...people I know working are reacting to the news especially the pilots flying the A350
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Flight crews have no idea how dire the straight is. All of them was told that some of them might have to go. I hope the airline hold them until December otherwise they may have to seek employment elsewhere which is pretty hard at this time.
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I was watching ABS-CBN drama and how events unfold before the eyes of its workers yet no one really believe the inevitable. They were told the best of hope and believed they did. Reality strike and the bad news finally sink in.
Hopes were given to airline workers of better things to come by July. Management had a good projection as to how things might unfold last April. They were hoping for the best and it wasn't good enough. We are now in August and the projection was thrown out of the window. The situation is bad. CEB already made their call. PAL and AAP will be making theirs anytime soon. It will not be good to hear. But some decision has to be made.
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Really bad news for PAL people yesterday.
I was waiting for official announcement in difference to your request. None came out so far. So I'm posting this ahead again should anyone pick up later. As was said last month, and true to the word posted on this forum, Philippine Airlines will let go 40% of their employees (both ground and flight crews) this coming October. It will be PAL's biggest retrenchment since 1997. Told you its forthcoming. But I guess nobody is listening. FYI Senate is delaying the aid package for the airline industry. It is still there up for deliberations. And Congressman Romero is not happy about it. His airline will die together with others if the measure is not pass this year. They are suppose to come after Bayanihan Two.
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The Story is out...
PAL to cut jobs anew
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As of this posting, 3 A350 and 4 B777 are grounded still. So the figures reported back in August are accurate. No news however if lessors agreed to PAL proposal. My thoughts however is they already have. Otherwise, these planes would have left the country like some of CEB fleet. They are still here. So I think the no use no pay policy are already being effected. I kinda believe that lessors nowadays prefer to earn little than none at all.
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This was last week. But decided to share it nonethless. https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transportation/Philippine-Airlines-plans-to-seek-court-protection-from-creditors Additionally PAL is planning to returned 20 aircraft back to there lessors no mention which type are they though? |
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Notice the plane that are not flying. They are good as given.
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If its based on current aircraft flying, the 777s are rarely on passenger flights (at least not the scheduled ones). Is it safe to say that the 350s are more secure in being the mainstay on longhaul flights? Most airlines have started reducing or retiring their 777s so I am assuming, it might be the same direction for PR.
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