New Manila International Airport (NMIA)

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Re: NAIA Take Over by SMC

Gustavo J Oppenheimer
They will talk about it on Monday daw
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NMIA Update

Gustavo J Oppenheimer
https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/2024/9/9/smc-s-ang-pushes-for-naia-terminal-reassignment-to-decongest-airport-1124

Meanwhile, Ang assured the public that despite delays, the New Manila Airport in Bulakan, Bulacan is pushing through as he highlighted the significance of the said project to the economy of the provinces in the North.

"Yung Bulacan airport, hindi pwedeng hindi gawin yun kasi yun ang pag-asa ng Pilipinas para umunlad ang bayan. Pag tumakbo ang Bulacan airport, you will open up Central Luzon," he said.

(We cannot 'not' open up Bulacan airport because that is the Philippines' hope for national progress. Once Bulacan airport is up and running, you will open up Central Luzon.)

SMC earlier disclosed that the airport project is facing delays due to the lack of sand being used as a backfill. Ang said the government is helping them address the issue.

Once opened, the Bulacan airport is seen to boost economic growth in nearby provinces such as Bulacan, Pampanga, Tarlac and Nueva Ecija, Ang said.
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Arianespace
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Of course not. Whether they like it or not, they are bound by contract with the National Government.
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Gustavo J Oppenheimer
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Gustavo J Oppenheimer
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Arianespace
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There is something wrong with this statement.
The NAIA rehabilitation project, finalized in a record eight months, is expected to double the airport’s capacity from 35 million to 62 million passengers annually while increasing air traffic movements from 40 to 48.
That is a problem when you post press releases.
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Gustavo J Oppenheimer
https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/614012/tycoons-sabin-aboitiz-ramon-ang-bet-big-on-aviation-boom

“For our NMIA project, land development has resumed after resolving sand sourcing challenges. NMIA is set to become the country’s largest international gateway, and work is progressing across multiple fronts, including site preparation, road network development, and biodiversity initiatives for migratory birds,” Ang says.

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Re: NMIA Update

Gustavo J Oppenheimer
Ok so I think the development is now focused on building bypass roads on route to the airport for the passage of vehicles and equipment that will be used for NMIA's formal construction of facilities

https://youtu.be/k5hO-i2yaPs?si=tBHl_zQCm_sg9ExT
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Re: NMIA Update

Gustavo J Oppenheimer
Construction of NMIA terminal and facilities will start next year ahead of 2028 opening

https://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/construction-of-bulacan-airport-terminal-set-2026
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Arianespace
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Provisions for landfill would still be delivered by barges as it is cheaper that way.
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Re: NMIA Update

Solblanc
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Gustavo J Oppenheimer wrote
Construction of NMIA terminal and facilities will start next year ahead of 2028 opening

https://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/construction-of-bulacan-airport-terminal-set-2026
Why is SMC still parroting that very unrealistic 2028 timeline?

We need to see a literal concrete runway first. If the runway and terminal actually break ground with evidence of construction, we can realistically count 5 years from that point as the fastest one can start operations.

Clark terminal 2 was already the fastest in terms of bidding to construction.

I still believe that the nscr, despite its delays, will offer people an acceptable airport travel time to Clark before NMIA will open without a rail link.

This airport would’ve made more sense before the Duterte admin decided to invest so much in Clark. Would’ve made better sense if they put it in Cavite. But anyway, andiyan na. Given SMC’s track record, and the fact that they have NAIA, I don’t expect this to open until the late 2030s at the earliest.
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JNC03
If MRT 7 is not finished yet what about NMIA, even the problems in the two projects are not the same SMCs track record in fixing delays speaks for itself
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filipinoavgeek
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While I know there are many proponents of using Clark as Manila's new airport, even with the NSCR, I don't think it could work as a primary airport. For one thing, it's about 100 kilometers from central Manila, which is quite far (for comparison, even Narita is only around 60-70 km from most of Tokyo). The train will help, but that distance would be greatly impractical for many purposes. Other airlines have already tried using it as a Manila alternative, with mixed results at best. One reason Clark still has a niche is that, instead of being just a Manila reliever, it's also now being used as a gateway to central and northern Luzon, a niche that Cebu Pacific is doing quite well. At best, Clark will only be able to completement and not replace NAIA and NMIA. It's probably better off focusing on its current niche: with the growth of Central Luzon's economy and population, and the future plans for New Clark City, if/when those come to fruition then Clark can stand on its own and do well anyway.
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Solblanc
filipinoavgeek wrote
While I know there are many proponents of using Clark as Manila's new airport, even with the NSCR, I don't think it could work as a primary airport. For one thing, it's about 100 kilometers from central Manila, which is quite far (for comparison, even Narita is only around 60-70 km from most of Tokyo). The train will help, but that distance would be greatly impractical for many purposes. Other airlines have already tried using it as a Manila alternative, with mixed results at best. One reason Clark still has a niche is that, instead of being just a Manila reliever, it's also now being used as a gateway to central and northern Luzon, a niche that Cebu Pacific is doing quite well. At best, Clark will only be able to completement and not replace NAIA and NMIA. It's probably better off focusing on its current niche: with the growth of Central Luzon's economy and population, and the future plans for New Clark City, if/when those come to fruition then Clark can stand on its own and do well anyway.

Nobody is expecting Clark to be a sole primary airport. Don’t look at it in a vacuum. NAIA will be difficult to close because even though it’s too small for our current and future needs, it’s just big enough to be very convenient for people in our CBDs.

That being said, in terms of travel time, during rush hour, NAIA and Clark are practically equidistant for someone in Quezon City, the most populous and richest LGU in the Philippines.

In a scenario where NAIA will never close, Clark is perfect as a second airport. And with the infrastructure invested in it, it can take on the role of NRT in the greater Tokyo area. HND may be a preferred airport, but NRT still handles plenty of Tokyo traffic. They have multiple rail and bus connections that cater to this traffic.

Let me put it another way. The government borrowed billions just to extend the NSCR to Clark. Clark airport station, which is underground, is not cheap. Despite all of this, SMC got away with putting up an airport that competes with Clark’s catchment area. So SMC is essentially competing with a taxpayer project and our taxpayer money will have difficulty getting ROI while SMC does their own thing that was not in any single development or infrastructure master plan at all. And NMIA has no rail link. Who will pay to give it a rail link? Tayo din ba? Or will it SMC just send BRT services on their magical expressways with solid white lines?

The worst part is that we gave it to SMC knowing their very horrible track record completing things. They can’t even give us proper updates on the terminal expansion in NAIA. Heck, they couldn’t even properly manage Caticlan.

So my approach to all of this is just to believe what I see. I don’t see civil works for a runway. I don’t see civil works for a terminal. Once I see those, then I’ll count a decade to see any realistic completion date.

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Arianespace
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CRK was never meant to be a primary airport. Bulacan is. Not even NAIA. For now it is NAIA but 5 years from now, that name belongs to Bulacan.
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Arianespace
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Solblanc wrote
Gustavo J Oppenheimer wrote
Construction of NMIA terminal and facilities will start next year ahead of 2028 opening

https://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/construction-of-bulacan-airport-terminal-set-2026
Why is SMC still parroting that very unrealistic 2028 timeline?
It is because of this one

Updated 10:03 PM GMT+8, August 10, 2023

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. has ordered an indefinite suspension of 22 major land reclamation projects in Manila Bay to allow a study of their environmental impact and legal compliance, an official said Thursday.

https://apnews.com/article/philippines-manila-bay-land-reclamation-us-aff98eebcff8bb9b3d62eb3adea0f002

and this one

THE START of the Bulacan airport’s operations has been pushed back to 2028 due to delays in construction, San Miguel Corp. (SMC) President and Chief Executive Officer Ramon S. Ang said.

“We are working closely with the government to help us, to allow us and give us some panambak (backfill),” he told reporters last week. “The construction has been delayed because we do not have it. If we can get that, then we can begin construction and make the airport ready to run.”

SMC expects to start development work for its P740-billion Bulacan International Airport or the New Manila International Airport (NMIA) project next year.

“When they suspended the Manila Bay reclamation, they also stopped sand sources, which affected us. We do not have backfill, which we use for construction,” he said.

In 2023, President Ferdinand R. Marcos, Jr. ordered the suspension of all reclamation projects in Manila Bay pending review of their environmental effects.

Mr. Ang said SMC initially targeted to begin operations of the airport by 2027.

“This delay has incurred additional costs. This one-year delay cost us several hundreds of millions of dollars,” Mr. Ang said. “If we can get the sand right now, we can begin the construction and make the airport ready to run by the first quarter of 2028.”

https://www.bworldonline.com/top-stories/2024/08/27/616238/construction-issues-to-push-back-operations-of-bulacan-airport-to-2028/


Once it is lifted for SMC, excavation, filling and construction resumes. Hindi po mahirap intindihin yan. Ang mahirap intindihin, ang SM nag resume ang SMC hindi. Bakets? Now you go figure...


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Re: NMIA Update

filipinoavgeek
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I have, in the past, seen users from a certain infrastructure-focus forum pushing for CRK to be the primary airport, even going as far as to push for closing down NAIA and replacing it with either a large park ala Central Park or with a new CBD. They're probably not the majority of posters out there, but they do exist.
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Re: NMIA Update

Gustavo J Oppenheimer
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I think they lifted the suspension on NMIA construction now given that DOTr has confirmed the land development will complete by next year and SMC would now shifting to building facilities thereafter

DOTr is the President's alter-ego after all
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Arianespace
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All 11 projects in Manila Bay with PRA permits approved under Duterte were suspended by Marcos Jr. in 2023 pending a review by the DENR. Only 2 Pasay reclamation projects were given a go signal and has resumed reclamation operations. SMC airport on the other hand is further put on hold.

Why?

For the Bulacan airport project, he said the site is now being prepared as a logistics hub for the airport rather than the mixed-use development originally planned.
https://www.bworldonline.com/economy/2024/02/28/578573/fisheries-bulacan-airport-projects-seen-poised-to-resume-after-lifting-of-freeze-on-reclamation/
So, its no longer a commercial or residential mix, but industrial. Another revision of plan. Airport remain as it is. Pending submission of revision, is also the pendency of the permit.  
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Solblanc
Arianespace wrote
All 11 projects in Manila Bay with PRA permits approved under Duterte were suspended by Marcos Jr. in 2023 pending a review by the DENR. Only 2 Pasay reclamation projects were given a go signal and has resumed reclamation operations. SMC airport on the other hand is further put on hold.

Why?

For the Bulacan airport project, he said the site is now being prepared as a logistics hub for the airport rather than the mixed-use development originally planned.
https://www.bworldonline.com/economy/2024/02/28/578573/fisheries-bulacan-airport-projects-seen-poised-to-resume-after-lifting-of-freeze-on-reclamation/
So, its no longer a commercial or residential mix, but industrial. Another revision of plan. Airport remain as it is. Pending submission of revision, is also the pendency of the permit.

One thing I don’t understand is that I thought that NMIA is legally on land. The area might have been submerged now, but it wasn’t always the case. The area had titles and those lots were acquired by SMC, so in a sense it isn’t reclamation what they’re doing so they didn’t have to go through PRA.

Now PRA is involved? Wonder how that came about
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