Airlines in the Philippines

[Marimar]

Does it mean PR, 2P and 5J fully maximized the 3 designated airlines (asa per current US-PH ASA) set by the Philippine gov't to fly to the US leaving Z2 without air rights in the near future?

[maortega15]

Now that the elections are over, I hope that the incoming administration will have a positive impact on aviation infrastructure especially Manila. First order of business is to replace the goons running the airport. Second time to plan for the long term with a completely new facility. While that is being done, improve the current facility.

I don't want to get political, but I am glad a completely new face from a different party will be president. Imagine if Mar Roxas were to become president, more of the same results from the outgoing administration.

And please naman, once na meron nang plano for a long term airport, please don't name it after a politician lalo na kay Ninoy! It should be just something like "New Manila International Airport".

Moving on, any news regarding PR's 77W deliveries? Anyone know when to expect them to be build, delivered and what type of seats it will have?

[tigz]

Seems like everyone here went "AWOL" including the moderator but I'm curios if any Cavite boys have noticed any movement at Sangley in terms of PAFs relocation to Lumbia(CGY) air base? That would be a good sign for the Manila airport to be gaining traction.

[Arianespace]

Low operating cost

[Arianespace]

Nope. US territories has different arrangements.

[Arianespace]

Running NAIA is completely different from building an airport. NAIA is run by MIAA and building new airport is run by DOTC. Even if Digong wants to build the airport asap when the money isnt there it wont be built. There are certain regulations in government that even Presidents become "inutil". We call it safeguards. Its been there since 1987. And no President has ever succeeded doing a turn around.

[Arianespace]

Blame that to Politics. Your question can be answered with a resounding NO.

[Solblanc]

Well... the current admin was very good at something that GMA couldn't get done in the twilight of her presidency: pass the budget.

Building a new airport entails that we really have to set aside money for it. We can't just hope and pray that the private sector will magically build something out of their own pocket and magically let people use their facilities at affordable rates.

The JICA study should theoretically be done soon. If it can get NEDA approval, then get the beginning steps financed in the 2017 budget, then sure, it can happen. We've seen the current admin railroad certain pieces of legislation. It can be done in theory.

Now, even if Digong had the political will to speed things up at NEDA, congress is going to be talking about federalism and the death penalty and curfews for minors. Digong has not said anything about infra, save for getting rid of tanim-bala and fixing the MRT. Even Davao is not exactly a gleaming example of infra development; they have a decent airport, but it isn't stellar, and the roads are not the best. Plus, DPWH has been given away as a political concession.

Let's not forget that Digong's anointed speaker of the house is at least partially responsible for the mess with Fraport and NAIA-3.

The faster way of building an airport would be to let the private sector handle it, for sure, but every single oligarch will have their mouth water at the prospect at controlling an airport whose passenger traffic is one of the largest in the world. If we leave it to the private sector, mag-aawayan yan, especially if the bidding is done, the losers tend not to respect the results and actively try to sabotage the winners. Case in point: NAIA-3. Besides, I'm tired of the fact that our infrastructure is designed not to promote mobility for the people, but rather to funnel people through the malls.

I dunno. I guess we have to wait and see what kind of leadership digong will have. I sincerely hope that we will not end up missing the yellows. The first year is bound to be tumultuous, sure, but in the second year, let's see what happens.

Hayyy

[Arianespace]

Solblanc wrote

Building a new airport entails that we really have to set aside money for it. We can't just hope and pray that the private sector will magically build something out of their own pocket and magically let people use their facilities at affordable rates.

The JICA study should theoretically be done soon. If it can get NEDA approval, then get the beginning steps financed in the 2017 budget, then sure, it can happen. We've seen the current admin railroad certain pieces of legislation. It can be done in theory.

Let's not forget that Digong's anointed speaker of the house is at least partially responsible for the mess with Fraport and NAIA-3.

TRUE. Finding however the $10 billion is the problem. And funding even $1 billion of that is more difficult. Believe me, you have to work in the government to understand why it is so frustrating.

The faster way of building an airport would be to let the private sector handle it...

Four PH companies are actually capable of building a $10 billion airport. The thing is they can't even if they can, unless they are awarded the concession.

And concessional awards has all the elements of disaster that bleeds your company dead just like what you said if a certain company happens to win it. More like the Terminal 3 mess.

That's the reason why JICA funded projects has more prospect succeeding than PH conglomerate vying for it because the end result would be the government building it funded by foreign funds, and management contract can be awarded later on.

And since we are talking about building airports, Boo Changco has good inputs about becoming a DOTC secretary.

Here is his thoughts

Whoever accepts the DOTC portfolio in the incoming Duterte administration (I am not sure Mr Art Tugade has formally accepted the offer) will be a failure unless he is protected from TROs and other suits. He must also be allowed to cut through government’s red tape to produce noticeable change within the first three months.

We need to give the new DOTC secretary extraordinary powers to solve problems that impede solutions like delays in securing right of way for vital transport projects.

LRT1 extension to Bacoor, for instance, is stalled even if the Ayala-MPIC consortium is ready to start building because of right of way problems. I heard they bought the wrong properties for right of way, among other not so innocent things on the road called Daang Matuwid.

To fix the horrible problems related to abusive bus drivers and excess buses along EDSA, the DOTC secretary must have the power to revise existing bus and jeepney franchises and routes, organize bus companies into specific consortia, reduce the number of buses on the EDSA route and require bus operators to pay salaries to bus drivers and conductors instead of demanding boundaries. Without extraordinary powers, the DOTC secretary will be delayed by nuisance suits.

Congress should also give the DOTC secretary enough leeway to use resources of other government agencies, from manpower and equipment, as needed to make traffic flow smoothly.

The DOTC secretary must have the power to void any local ordinances that grant permits to vendors or other businesses to use roadways for parking, tiangges or car repair shops. It must be specified the DOTC secretary’s decision must trump any LGU preference as it affects traffic flow even in secondary routes.

The DOTC secretary must also be given authority to settle commercial disputes involving all DOTC, projects that delay completion to the public’s disadvantage. This includes that long standing dispute on where to put the common station that is delaying the LRT1 extension project.

Another example is the contract dispute that is delaying the Bicol International Airport. While the parties may still seek a court solution, all transportation projects must be allowed to proceed without any TRO. Aggrieved parties may seek damages later on, but vital projects must not be delayed.

The DOTC secretary must be given powers to hire needed professionals to carry out projects outside of the normal government hiring process. The problem at DOTC, as even Budget Secretary Butch Abad once described it, is a technical deficit. No DOTC secretary can give quick relief to our crisis level problems unless he can get competent technical professionals to help him.

Also needed is the power of the DOTC secretary to do emergency procurement as needed to guarantee uninterrupted service and passenger safety specially for MRT3 and PNR. He must also have the power to force a settlement of long running issues in MRT3 that may be necessary to complete its rehabilitation.

The Duterte DOTC secretary must be like Duterte himself — straight talking and with balls to get his job done even if vested interests are hurt. The problem with P-Noy’s and Mar Roxas’s DOTC is that the officials had no commitment to get any projects done. The many lawyers Mar hired were more interested in protecting Mar and Abaya than rolling out projects.

In exchange for these emergency powers, the Duterte DOTC secretary must produce a timeline of projects, specifying what he hopes to accomplish in three months, six months, one year, two years, etc. Some projects in his priority list may be easier to accomplish than others. Adjustments in the time line can be made as we go along.

I have this discussion with MAP’s Eddie Yap on whether an Executive Order or a Republic Act is needed. Whatever form may be appropriate, it is necessary to give the Duterte DOTC secretary the powers to cut through usual rules to accomplish noticeable improvements not just on EDSA, but also for the whole country.

People voted for Mr. Duterte because they think he can deliver, even if he has to abolish Congress as he once promised. What MAP is proposing is not that radical given our current dire situation in transportation and Metro Manila traffic jams.

http://www.philstar.com/business/2016/05/27/1587242/emergency-powers-transport

My thought about it, the bolded italicize part is the problem. Even if Digong himself runs it, he will never have those powers unless he abolish Congress.

[tigz]

How may I see say this but 6yrs tenure for the helm at Malacanang also equates for 6yrs tenure for the helm at DOTC, which the way I see it, unless the detailed engineering have been tendered at the time of succession; no way an airport reclamation of the scale as proposed in Cavite will materialize in the incumbent presidents term - in this case "Digong". Lot acquisitions  and other rights of way expropriation are quite litigous underatkings, even our simple provincial airport runways are contrained by this. Makes me wonder if congress can enact a law creating the "Philippine international Airport" agency whose mandate is simply to expedite the contruction of major Philippine gateways! Headed by a technorat with aviation background and backed by an A list of project managers, finance planners and legal staff!, am I dreaming or what?

[seven13]

C8765 just got a minor interior change. PECY got an additional 6 seats (34" seat pitch) with a decrease in ECY of 11 seats. It's now 18JCL, 33PECY and 312ECY = 363seats. I wonder if they tweaked the mid galley making it bigger with more equipment. It makes me wonder why a minor change.

I think KR and JP flights are getting the PECY fare/service, while the rest are still bi-class service.

[airboy007]

From the new seatmap i received, it looks like the galleys retain their configurations. No additional lavatories either. But what was changed were the old chillers (which were useless to the crew) has been taken out and was replaced with another oven.

[Arianespace]

tigz wrote

Makes me wonder if congress can enact a law creating the "Philippine international Airport" agency whose mandate is simply to expedite the contruction of major Philippine gateways! Headed by a technorat with aviation background and backed by an A list of project managers, finance planners and legal staff!, am I dreaming or what?

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Dreaming. If the Philippine Airports Authority (PAA) cannot simply get off the ground, how much more your propose law which aims to expedite construction and improvement of airports. It's supposed to be it's job, the soon to be born PAA. But still unborn languishing in Congress.

[seven13]

Philippine Airlines in this week’s schedule update has adjusted planned North American operations in winter 2016/17 season, which sees a number of service increases. Note these planned changes will be in effect until 25MAR17.

Manila – Los Angeles
eff 30OCT16 PR112/113 moves from night-time to day-time service (4 weekly A340)
eff 06DEC16 PR112/113 increases from 4 weekly to daily, 777-300ER replaces A340-300

PR112 MNL1125 – 0800LAX 77W D
PR102 MNL2100 – 1735LAX 77W D

PR113 LAX1100 – 1825+1MNL 77W D
PR103 LAX2045 – 0410+2MNL 77W D

Manila – Vancouver
eff 08DEC16 Restoration of terminator service, 2 weekly (Overall service to Vancouver increases from 7 to 10 weekly)
PR116 MNL2000 – 1600YVR 77W 24
PR117 YVR2230 – 0435+2MNL 77W 24

Manila – Vancouver – Toronto
eff 10DEC16 Increase from 3 to 4 weekly
PR118 MNL1430 – 1030YVR1230 – 2000YYZ 77W 6
PR118 MNL1500 – 1100YVR1230 – 2000YYZ 77W 357

PR119 YYZ2130 – 2350YVR0125+1 – 0730+2MNL 77W x124

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/267684/29jun16-update-philippine-airlines-w16-north-america-operation-changes/

YVR must be doing pretty good for the restoration of PR116/117.

the 7th and 8th frames will be arriving Oct2016 and Dec2016 right? Is it a requirement to deploy it to near destinations (HKG/NRT/BKK) before deploying it on longhaul?

[maortega15]

seven13 wrote

Is it a requirement to deploy it to near destinations (HKG/NRT/BKK) before deploying it on longhaul?

Not a requirement but a lot of airlines tend to put them on short sectors to "break them in" as well as just in case any problems arise.

I wouldn't be surprised if HKG, CEB, or BKK see these frames for a day or two.

Also, has anyone heard about PAL's seats on the 77W as well as revised livery?

[seven13]

I see.
There will be a revised livery? I'm wishing a special livery on the first A350.
And I thought the Thompson Aero Vantage XL "is", "was already", "will be" chosen for the upcoming 77W and A350?

[Arianespace]

They are also contemplating daily CEB-LAX or launching another EU route this winter. So we know where the plane should be coming from.

However I'm not aware of new livery change coming.

[romantic_guy08]

Arianespace wrote

They are also contemplating daily CEB-LAX or launching another EU route this winter. So we know where the plane should be coming from.

However I'm not aware of new livery change coming.

How are the numbers on CEB-LAX?

[seven13]

Wouldn't it be too much capacity for LAX? It's thrice a day flight with O/D traffic unlike CI and BR getting transit passengers.

HA should be the carrier JJB was saying as the newest codeshare partner of PR.
Possible EU route, CDG come to mind since the had a hint dating to that one instagram post last december.

[richard]

So possibly Rom or Milano would be the next European destination due to the most OFWs in Europe being in Italy, right?

If they are thinking on daily basis CEB - LAX, flights must be full right now.....?

PAL livery is the very best one, timeless and sophisticated, no sense changing it. Maybe an update, but no substantial changes necessary. Simply the best and reduce to the max !
;-)