Airlines in the Philippines

[tigz]

Good move for PAL! Perhaps a bi-class layout can work in the mideast sector where OFWs are price sensitive, yet giving room to those mix of business people and executive expats who wants a little bit more elbow room and comfort but doesn't want to pay the price of business seat luxury.

[cabinpressure]

crusher.wake wrote

Found this while scrolling down my feed on instagram. So on what aircraft type will these seats be installed?

Looks like B/E's Diamond seats. Those can go 2-3-2, hardly "5 Star," but we'll see.
BTW, are there still pending A330 deliveries for PR?

[Arianespace]

seven13 wrote

Were you part of the Nielsen survey conducted by PR to random flyers? I wonder what was the target sample size.

By the way, was HA the codeshare partner PR was referring to during the start of the year or it's another airline?

No to both questions.



This is the PAL A330 that could be a five star airline



Shown to have this bling



And this is how the premium economy should look like



A 20.5" seat width of the old is truly remarkable when you compare it to the existing 16.5" that looks like this



or its premium variant that looks like this.



Very troubling indeed.

[maortega15]

The Premium Economy above is ok but it doesn't have a proper leg and foot rest. Only the front rows have dedicated leg rests. All other rows have a T-bar foot rest which I find useless at times.

Photo below shows a much better Premium Economy seat.

[Arianespace]

Profit at Cebu Air, the Philippines' largest low-cost carrier, surged fivefold to 4.39 billion pesos ($95 million) last year as passenger numbers surged.

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Cebu-Air-s-2015-profit-soars-fivefold-on-surging-passenger-numbers

Cebu Pacific income up 400% to P4.39B in 2015

Read more: http://business.inquirer.net/209034/cebu-pacific-income-up-400-to-p4-39b-in-2015#ixzz44aTLkmnO

If this is not telling PAL about their choices, particularly in the ME, I don't know what is.

It is also flooding domestic capacity in answer to PR's summer expansion to BCD, ILO, CGY,DVO, and TAC.

Cebu Pacific adding more flights to key destinations this summer

Read more: http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Corporate&title=cebu-pacific-adding-more-flights-to-key-destinations-this-summer&id=125162

[swahi]

the 2-4-2 configuration is what PAL's old A330 planes where, while the current ones are the blue 3-3-3.  What are the chances they will go back to the old 2-4-2? Isn't it other airlines like in the U.S. are planning to switch to the 3-3-3?

Or will they choose the 2-4-2 for the new birds while continuing to use the present A333 with the 3-3-3 setup?

I never liked the 3-3-3 setup.  More often than not, my side is touching the passenger beside me.

[chowpau]

word i got from someone working at PAL that the monoclass A330 will be 2-4-2 for the Economy once being reconfigured with new seats and new seat layout

[swahi]

If they are changing the monoclass, how about the tri-class where economy is still 3-3-3?

[tigz]

I'd always prefer the 2-4-2 any day as your chances being closer to the window are greater! Also, more natural light seeps in as only two sseats are blocking the window hence better perception of space. What is tried and tested for many long years always proves it worth!

[chowpau]

swahi wrote

If they are changing the monoclass, how about the tri-class where economy is still 3-3-3?

Stated in the website of CAPA, the existing tri-class will replace the the routes of the monoclass while the configured A330 will replace the existing tri-class routes...swap places

[Arianespace]

In fairness to CAPA they never did say PAL is going in that direction you mentioned. What was being presented is for PR to acquire premium economy seats. Perhaps more cushions than existing ones. There was never a story that the airline will buy new economy seats and reconfigure all the cabin to our liking. Both are not alike I should say.

The new premium economy product will debut on the A330 from 2017.

PAL has committed to acquiring new premium economy seats for eight of its 15 A330-300s and these aircraft will be retrofitted in 2017 and 2018. It is also acquiring new premium economy seats for the six A350-900s that it has ordered for delivery in 2018 and 2019.

And here lies the rub. The 365 seats is over 300 passengers.

Both the retrofitted A330-300s and new A350-900s will seat just over 300 passengers in three class configuration, including lie flat business, premium economy and standard economy seats

And the "plan".

PAL plans to retrofit the eight A330-300s in its fleet

And what the airline is actually saying.

At least for now, PAL plans to maintain the configuration on its seven dual class 368-seat A330-300s

So there, presented in its proper perspective.

[swahi]

I read that CAPA article and it also said this:

"It is not interested in positioning PAL or any of the group’s subsidiaries as an LCC."

What then would be their plan for pal express? Just the same as PAL?

[Arianespace]

2P ceased to exist as a low cost carrier ever since its flight operations was consolidated with PR. And that was almost four years ago.

Ever heard of the thing called "hybrid"? That's what it is.

[tigz]

Sorry I'm no understanding, I thought 2P became PAL Express! Same corporate but different name.

[chowpau]

tigz wrote

Sorry I'm no understanding, I thought 2P became PAL Express! Same corporate but different name.

Actually...

PAL/PR is PAL Holdings Inc = Philippine Airlines

GAP/2P is Air Philippines Corporation = PAL Express

The owner of Air Philippines Corporation is PAL Holdings Inc

[tigz]

Isn't this what I meant?, PALex is under the corporate umbrella of 2P whose parent company is PAL Holdings which is also the owner of mainline PAL. I guess Express pilots and cabin crew are on a different payroll and pay scale as far as I have learned! Correct me otherwise.

[chowpau]

tigz wrote

Isn't this what I meant?, PALex is under the corporate umbrella of 2P whose parent company is PAL Holdings which is also the owner of mainline PAL. I guess Express pilots and cabin crew are on a different payroll and pay scale as far as I have learned! Correct me otherwise.

in terms of business model, PALEx changed from LCC to Hybrid. The president of PALEx is not JJB...so the airline is independent running on its own carrying the logo of PAL because of the owner.

FOr the payroll and pay scale, I have no idea if they are the same with PAL...PNB (Allied Bank before the merger).

[romantic_guy08]

Did PR just transfer 1 A321(RP-C9910) to 2P? been seeing that plan with 2P flight codes.

[airboy007]

from what I have heard, there are a few frames of the current a321 that will be transferred to 2P due to their CEB hub expansion. 9910 must have been the first one.

the 2p cabin crew have started their differences training a month or two ago.

[seven13]

Quite curious, why is 2P the operating carrier for Saipan and not PR?