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Re: PAL A321NEO

Evodesire
I think they plan to do MNL-BNE non-stop. Not sure if this can also fly MNL -AKL non-stop.
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Re: PAL A321NEO

Solblanc

AKL is already long-haul, and even the LR would have trouble flying there.

However, CEB-SYD, is shorter than MNL-BNE, and that could be an attractive route in the future.
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Re: PAL A340 Retirement

Travelbug_89
So there's news that RP-C3436 just got retired, one of the older A340s in the PAL fleet https://www.facebook.com/PinoyAviators022513/
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PAL A340 Retirement

Arianespace
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Already painted white last time i saw it Monday as I was marveling BA A380.
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Re: PAL A340 Retirement

Travelbug_89
That was quick! I wonder if RP-C3435 and 3437 are next.  Last year when i flew 3437 you can tell it was getting long on the tooth. The closets were getting very rickety and rattled quite a bit during takeoff and landing
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Re: PAL A340 Retirement

Travelbug_89
All 6 A340s are going back to Airbus is that right?
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PAL A340 Retirement

Arianespace
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Yes. They are. That is one of the reason why I flew them long haul before they are gone for good. Truly an amazing plane, depending of course to one's perspective. Good thing about 4 holers is that they are far quieter than triple seven and the new A350. Rode them multiple times so I have fair basis for comparison.
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Re: PAL A340 Retirement

Travelbug_89
One of the reasons I like the A380 a lot.

It looks like the A340s are back on the HNL route on certain days and the tri-class A330s are also operating some of the middle east routes now, been seeing them on DXB and RUH runs lately
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Re: PAL A340 Retirement

seven13
On some occassions it flies as PR658, not sure with PR654.
And I think C8782 is still in ints old mono class config. I wonder what happened there.
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Re: PAL A340 Retirement

Travelbug_89
Thats odd so that means there's only 7 reconfigured frames right now.

Edit: i just took a look on airfleets.net, 8782 is reconfigured. Its recently flew Jeddah too. Makes me think that they may be thinking of reconfiguring all A333s?
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Re: PAL A340 Retirement

Travelbug_89
A Wow Air A321NEO just did KEF-LAX and turned and is now on KEF-MIA. This plane is continuing to impress! https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tf-sky#103b36db
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PAL A340 Retirement

Arianespace
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Like what I said in the past, PR is short of two A330 frames with the schedule they are running. Take for instance now, 1 333 is doing PR1. That makes the A340 taking errands for 5xxx flights. It should be address soon with MEL and SYD equipment downgrade.
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A321N

Arianespace
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Travelbug_89 wrote
A Wow Air A321NEO just did KEF-LAX and turned and is now on KEF-MIA. This plane is continuing to impress! https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tf-sky#103b36db
Unlike PAL though they don't carry at least 25kg. of passenger baggage. Leisure market at most carry 10kg of baggage. More like same as the PAL variant, except for the market. Also, PAL A321N can fly the same sector like this February, its almost the same distance to BNE. Doubt however if CEB will be successful with the same seat count of 200 and route sector. Its A330 has already been victim of our famous trait flying back home that it had to bump some boxes just to reach MNL.
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Re: PAL A340 Retirement

seven13
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I’m not 100% though if it has been reconfigured already or not. Everytime I check FR24,that particular frame has been doing 684, 662, 668 or 656, all ME sectors that it made me believe that it’s still in monoclass layout.
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Re: PAL A340 Retirement

peterpiloto
It was stated in the December 2017 issue of the Mabuhay Magazine that seven have been reconfigured and one more to go. One thing I noticed is the tri-class aircraft have a plugged window on each side separating Business Class from Premium Economy.
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Re: A321N

Travelbug_89
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First thing that came to mind: how weight restricted was that plane? Considering its a high density setup, I kept thinking how many seats were empty.

I told my cousin in MEL that he's flying on an A321Neo soon and he had mixed feelings. I'm still wondering tho, what if PR does convert a couple standard neos to LRs? Will that help them?

Are all Oz ops going to the A321Neo or is SYD staying A330?

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Re: A321N

B77Wflyer
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I have read that during the flight from KEF-LAX their where only 42 pax out of 218 seats which is the capacity of WOW Air A321neo usually the route is operated by an A330.


https://thepointsguy.com/2018/01/record-a321neo-wow-flight/
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Re: A321N

Arianespace
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Travelbug_89 wrote
First thing that came to mind: how weight restricted was that plane? Considering its a high density setup, I kept thinking how many seats were empty.

I told my cousin in MEL that he's flying on an A321Neo soon and he had mixed feelings. I'm still wondering tho, what if PR does convert a couple standard neos to LRs? Will that help them?

Are all Oz ops going to the A321Neo or is SYD staying A330?
B77Wflyer wrote
I have read that during the flight from KEF-LAX their where only 42 pax out of 218 seats which is the capacity of WOW Air A321neo usually the route is operated by an A330.
Its not about the seats, it has more to do with the payload. Thus, the reason why we have to weight our baggage.

Airbus assumes an average weight of 85kg. per passenger. At 200 pax for WOW that easily translates to 17,000kg. of payload from passenger load. With that payload the A321N can easily fly as far as 4000nm.

Payload of A321 is limited to 20,000kg. or thereabouts. And passengers always checked-in luggage. So Airbus made another assumption of 95kg. per passenger average. With passenger luggage in tow, it now has 19,000kg. payload. This time however its range is shorter to about 3800nm Equivalent Still Air Distance (ESAD).

Now, here is the tricky part. Payload is always a relative term, depending upon the airline's target market. That is the reason why Airbus marketing figures is always different from airlines, and from airline to airline. For example, CEB A321n have different payload calculation to PAL A321n even if they are the same plane.

What I'm saying is that the illustrative Airbus assumptions wont work on the OFW-centered/VFR market beyond 2000nm range.

And I'm not yet talking about the third auxilliary center tank which is needed to reach the 4000nm range. So there is reason why my calculations stopped at 19k instead of 20k, because the ACT and its fuel will eat A321n payload.

I've flown PAL A321 and they have a generous Y pitch. At 168 pax PR A321n should be roomier than its current 199 seater.

As to PAL operational requirement to SYD, we should see how they operate at HND. Sometimes they fly B77W occasionally and the usual A330 most of the time and on some lean days A321. There goes your answer.

And of course you don't fly A330 with 42 passengers. A321n should fit better because it can fly the same way the widebody does farther at 4600nm. And probably WOW thought its cheaper to fly them that way than booked them at a hotel.
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Re: A321N

Travelbug_89
Thanks for that in-depth explanation! That was quite helpful
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Re: A350-1000

Evodesire
It was just posted that the A350-1000 will be in Manila, and then it says "you know what that means..." right after the title. Can anyone hint us if PAL is putting in an order for the A350-1000? Yes they do have 6 options for the A350 (not sure if its limited to the -900 only) and I noticed that their A321NEO went down from 30 to 21.
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