Airlines In The Philippines IV

[filipinoavgeek]

By the way, where did the announcement that 5J is suspending MNL-CNX come from? I haven't seen it being posted on 5J's socials or any source other than Mond Ortiz.

[skyhigh06]

I think Bilyonaryo also posted that. https://bilyonaryo.com/2026/02/04/last-call-cebu-pacific-to-halt-manila-chiang-mai-flights-in-march-2026/travel/

(By the way, I just want to say hello to everyone in this forum. I've been a silent (but avid) reader of this forum for two years now.)

[kilohakdog]

3rd A320 for PALEx on the way to Manila: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BWWY594bb/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[kilohakdog]

Apparently PAL A35K is grounded for 2 weeks now. Is it true that its engine suffered from bird strike? This FB also shows some movements for A321neo RP-C9932, which is stored since 2020. Seems PAL is expanding this year! 🫡

https://www.facebook.com/share/1BsDG7G4PM/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[filipinoavgeek]

It was mentioned earlier than in the thread that apparently it had a truck incident.

[Arianespace]

RP-C9932 was a victim of P&W woes where it had to cue for its maintenance turn. Not much PAL can do about it. All their neos were on that lists.

[Evodesire]

filipinoavgeek wrote

By the way, where did the announcement that 5J is suspending MNL-CNX come from? I haven't seen it being posted on 5J's socials or any source other than Mond Ortiz.

It's in the Cebu Pacific website: https://help.cebupacificair.com/article/suspension-of-cebu-pacific-flights-between-manila-and-205659

[kilohakdog]

MSN 792, 4th A35K for PAL, has been spotted in Toulouse: https://x.com/tlswatch/status/2023033968455807143?s=46

Airbus sure builds its planes very fast

[Bluejay]

Third A321-231(PCF) for Royal Air Philippines registered as RP-C9867

[Spartan117]

Would the recent orders from VN and 9G/Sun PhuQuoc Airways affect PAL’s decisions on the B789 IGW and B78X IGW, especially in terms of delivery queues and timing?

From the press releases, it looks like VN and 9G’s deliveries might only begin in the 2030s. So, could that have any impact on PAL’s projected timelines from 2032 onward for a potential 787-9, 787-10, and 737-8 order?

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2026-02-18-Boeing-and-Sun-PhuQuoc-Airways-Announce-Order-for-Up-to-40-787-Dreamliner-Jets 
https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2026-02-18-Vietnam-Airlines-Finalizes-Order-for-50-Boeing-737-MAX-Airplanes 

In other news, they finally got 3510 serviceable again

[seven13]

@Arianespace, I’m curious why PR increased LAX first before SFO if SFO is their bread and butter? Is it because PR has interline and codeshare agreement from LAX via AA than SFO where UA is?

[Arianespace]

There are more passengers in LAX volume wise, but there are more front passengers in SFO.

[Arianespace]

Spartan117 wrote

So, could that have any impact on PAL’s projected timelines from 2032 onward for a potential 787-9, 787-10, and 737-8 order?

No. PAL has until Q2 2027 to make up their minds and have them delivered as early as 2032. Different story if we are talking about 77x. The cue is 10 years if orders are taken today.

[seven13]

I see.
It is so sad that PR could only maintain a daily frequency to SFO and not do a double daily year round. Plus whenever there needs to be a flight disrupted, it is always SFO that gets the hit. Also, would you know if are there chances PR could increase YVR to double daily?

Do you have any idea how is their SEA flights doing? It’s surprising that SEA has a lot of capacity to Asia with most of it to TPE. CX is restarting SEA too.

[filipinoavgeek]

seven13 wrote

Do you have any idea how is their SEA flights doing? It’s surprising that SEA has a lot of capacity to Asia with most of it to TPE. CX is restarting SEA too.

It's doing so well that a while back it was bumped up from 3x weekly to 5x weekly. I can't remember if it was permanent or if it was just for the holiday season. I also remember reading on Airliners.net that the yields were also good.

[filipinoavgeek]

Could someone check how 5J's CTS flights are doing? Given what I posted here before, I was wondering if it could be another possible victim of 5J's "network adjustments" just like CNX. If it will be suspended or made seasonal, it might be after June since I saw someone mentioning their post-June booking was being redirected to another Japanese destination.

[seven13]

filipinoavgeek wrote

seven13 wrote

Do you have any idea how is their SEA flights doing? It’s surprising that SEA has a lot of capacity to Asia with most of it to TPE. CX is restarting SEA too.

It's doing so well that a while back it was bumped up from 3x weekly to 5x weekly. I can't remember if it was permanent or if it was just for the holiday season. I also remember reading on Airliners.net that the yields were also good.

The increase in capacity is permanent. Currently at 5x a week. If the yields are good then that’s good news.
 

[ewh1]

in the Washington Aviation thread on Airliners.net they reported the PAL flights averaging 83% back in October so definitely more than respectable, especially with the amount of competition thats there!

[Arianespace]

seven13 wrote

It is so sad that PR could only maintain a daily frequency to SFO and not do a double daily year round. Plus whenever there needs to be a flight disrupted, it is always SFO that gets the hit. Also, would you know if are there chances PR could increase YVR to double daily?

On the contrary. They were able to grow it to 10x a week pre-covid. Then chapter 11 came and they lost some of their long haul fleet. Thereafter, UAL took the excess traffic away and their front passengers too. Which by the way confirms the big SFO market that PAL misses to grow. All because the BOD refused to infused additional $100 million capital to addressed this concern. That should have restored the full 77w fleet, and two more frames to cover the 4 lost A359. That is when their North American schedules went kaput and A330 fly the big ocean. It is sad to see them catching up market position now. They were really not expecting UAL to pass through. Nine additional long haulers should fill up some routes for growth when they arrive starting this year. LAX is already announced. I'm sure SFO and YVR is not far behind to be serve by these birds. Sadly, they are far too big and too dense.

According to PAL erstwhile fleet planning I heard in 2018, this is where the B789 and the A359 comes in handy as it was meant to be the right sized aircraft when competition comes in because this is when traffic thins out due to market forces before growing again. The competition is here. And only the A359 was acquired by PAL.

[seven13]

Arianespace wrote

seven13 wrote

It is so sad that PR could only maintain a daily frequency to SFO and not do a double daily year round. Plus whenever there needs to be a flight disrupted, it is always SFO that gets the hit. Also, would you know if are there chances PR could increase YVR to double daily?

On the contrary. They were able to grow it to 10x a week pre-covid. Then chapter 11 came and they lost some of their long haul fleet. Thereafter, UAL took the excess traffic away and their front passengers too. Which by the way confirms the big SFO market that PAL misses to grow. All because the BOD refused to infused additional $100 million capital to addressed this concern. That should have restored the full 77w fleet, and two more frames to cover the 4 lost A359. That is when their North American schedules went kaput and A330 fly the big ocean. It is sad to see them catching up market position now. They were really not expecting UAL to pass through. Nine additional long haulers should fill up some routes for growth when they arrive starting this year. LAX is already announced. I'm sure SFO and YVR is not far behind to be serve by these birds. Sadly, they are far too big and too dense.

According to PAL erstwhile fleet planning I heard in 2018, this is where the B789 and the A359 comes in handy as it was meant to be the right sized aircraft when competition comes in because this is when traffic thins out due to market forces before growing again. The competition is here. And only the A359 was acquired by PAL.

PR114 was just a seasonal thrice a week, usually between Dec-Jan only. It used to be the same time bank of 104 and then just before covid, 2019, if I remember correctly, PR shifted 114 to the same time of 112. PR has AA and DL and WN from LAX to connect to other US major cities but it only has AS from SFO to connect passengers to other american cities.

AC recently placed an order for the A35K and rumors online say it will also be configured densely and will eventually be deployed to Manila. YVR has been ECY heavy that’s why the ex-GA 777 works best on that route.