Airlines In The Philippines III

[Solblanc]

airline_builder wrote

xzibit31 wrote

romantic_guy08 wrote

Arianespace wrote

xzibit31 wrote

DVO TAG will go daily when DVO ILO gets the axe.

DVO-ILO is served by a CEB bus. Same circumstances. Same comment

Meanwhile, 5J will also lunch ILO - DRP starting Dec. 24...

Wow. Kidos to 5J.

Question, Is this a new route or was it ever sserviced by other local commercial airlines historically?

new route...they have to utilize all current and incoming fleet resulting to trial and error of routes. 5J is known for that and most of the time they strike it rich so hopefully this one does too

It helps that they’re able to keep costs low and fares low, while at the same time incomes are rising and people are looking for other things to do.

 

[romantic_guy08]

romantic_guy08 wrote

Arianespace wrote

xzibit31 wrote

DVO TAG will go daily when DVO ILO gets the axe.

DVO-ILO is served by a CEB bus. Same circumstances. Same comment

Meanwhile, 5J will also lunch ILO - DRP starting Dec. 24...

Seems 5J will also launch ILO to DGT starting Dec. 3...

[Arianespace]

Philippine Airlines is finally stopping Manila – Dammam - Manila flight effective 31 OCT 24. That is one less middle east flight for high density 63xx fleet.

[Evodesire]

They densified more A330s for the ME routes, but later reduced ME flights. So much for planning. BTW, I got news that those densified 878X series still have seatback IFEs, except, they removed or reduced premium economy.

[Arianespace]

Air Asia is in terrible shape. It suffered the same fate as PAL does, on AOGs. Well CEB suffered same setbacks too but their delayed orders was forthcoming. And they are arriving in droves. None for both PAL and PAA in the short term, thus the massive cancellations of flights, with CEB to the rescue, as usual.

Flight cancellations

https://bilyonaryo.com/2024/10/18/lance-gokongwei-to-the-rescue-cebu-pacific-offers-p1000-tickets-to-stranded-airasia-travelers-after-penny-pinching-tony-fernandes-cancels-routes/business/

In other words, writing is already on the wall for these airlines as CEB start to saturate the market. Both took notice. Look at ILO for example, they practically make a massive Base there.

[JNC03]

Its a difference of having a backup plans and investors, Indigo Partners is crucial on CEB's recovery after the pandemic

[Solblanc]

It’s sad that PAL technically already had firm orders for A321neos but just stopped their delivery. And now they can’t get the original delivery slots back. Not that it would’ve helped that much, given that they signed up for PW engines when they probably should’ve just stuck with CFM.

Cebpac’s hard decision to just take the pandemic losses and keep their fleet is paying off. They should seriously consider starting an FSC. They can easily take a small subfleet of 10 A321neos with business class and give PAL a run for their money.

[Gustavo J Oppenheimer]

What happen to their fleet renewal? When will PAA receive fleet from their sister company?

[Arianespace]

In Sept 2021 Air Asia cut a deal with Airbus to reschedule delivery of their 36 remaining A320 plane for CY19,20,and 21. Same way PAL did.

These remaining orders, which were converted to 321neo and LRs cover the entire Air Asia Group fleet, comprising Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, and recently Cambodia.

Redelivery schedule resumed last June 2024 and spread to 2035. Which translate to additional 3 neo aircraft per year. And that is for the upcoming fleet alone.

Clearly not enough for their Asean footprints and route expansion.  And this is what CEB found, and took advantage with their massive aircraft orders for 70 321neo for delivery in 2027.

I've heard Steve Dailisan saying they need 4 more planes for growth this year. What they got is 2 additional planes with 4 years life remaining. Next to PAL, APG has the oldest A320 fleet in the world averaging 16 years old. They have  a fleet of 15 aircraft with 12 planes nearing 20 years old and should be out of service in the next 3 years. Do the math.  

[JNC03]

Z2 didn't receive any neo yet, if they will I expect it to be used units from AK. It is rare that Z2 received brand new aircraft in the past.

[Evodesire]

Solblanc wrote

It’s sad that PAL technically already had firm orders for A321neos but just stopped their delivery. And now they can’t get the original delivery slots back. Not that it would’ve helped that much, given that they signed up for PW engines when they probably should’ve just stuck with CFM.

Cebpac’s hard decision to just take the pandemic losses and keep their fleet is paying off. They should seriously consider starting an FSC. They can easily take a small subfleet of 10 A321neos with business class and give PAL a run for their money.

That's my biggest wish for them. If only its possible for them to use T6's AOC and turn them into a premium airline which will fly Europe and US routes. PAL for now cannot fill the role as a true flag carrier. Only in branding they call themselves national flag carrier, but not in terms of providing connectivity. And sorry to say, when you get into a PAL flight, there are bigger chances you are utilizing an old plane but when you fly Cebu Pacific, there are greater chances of being on a new plane.

[Arianespace]

JNC03 wrote

Z2 didn't receive any neo yet, if they will I expect it to be used units from AK. It is rare that Z2 received brand new aircraft in the past.

Most likely

[Evodesire]

Don't just believe all that Tony Fernandes says. Until you see something, those words are nothing.

[Solblanc]

Congratulations to United on the start of their Cebu service.

Looks like they’re going to be the US carrier of choice for many, something that Northwest used to be, then Delta.

Delta snoozed, not just with Manila, but the entirety of Northwest’s old Asia network.

I can imagine that United is gonna get a lot more US military contracts with the increase in military activity thanks to the EDCA sites. And US military aircraft can ferry the personnel direct from Cebu airport as opposed to Manila, which is quite congested.

[Arianespace]

The Boeing 787 offered to PAL was taken by LATAM. Delivery starts 2025 until 2030. But I guess there is another round.

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2024-10-28-LATAM-Orders-10-787-Dreamliners-to-Grow-Boeing-Widebody-Fleet

[Arianespace]

That is exactly the same schedule they applied for NAIA, with overnight parking for the B737. Of course they were denied. We already talked about this. And that is settled story. Congratulations to UA still. According to them their passengers are mostly CEB bound from LAX. They even have same flight numbers.

By the way, PAL also has 5th freedom traffic rights from Narita to the US. Used to be flown by MD and DC planes. Back then, even with low fares they can't entice Japanese to ride with them and compete with Japanese and North American carriers.

[JNC03]

The another round is what the airline talked about with Boeing in US after the inaugural of the Seattle flight, now its up to PAL what they will do with the another round.

[Solblanc]

Arianespace wrote

That is exactly the same schedule they applied for NAIA, with overnight parking for the B737. Of course they were denied. We already talked about this. And that is settled story. Congratulations to UA still. According to them their passengers are mostly CEB bound from LAX. They even have same flight numbers.

By the way, PAL also has 5th freedom traffic rights from Narita to the US. Used to be flown by MD and DC planes. Back then, even with low fares they can't entice Japanese to ride with them and compete with Japanese and North American carriers.

If PAL had a spare A330, they could do ceb-nrt-lax or MNL-nrt-las. But they don’t have enough A330s at all

Arianespace wrote

The Boeing 787 offered to PAL was taken by LATAM. Delivery starts 2025 until 2030. But I guess there is another round.

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2024-10-28-LATAM-Orders-10-787-Dreamliners-to-Grow-Boeing-Widebody-Fleet

Pal really could’ve used those planes. The 787-9 could’ve been used to increase YYZ/JFK frequencies, or rightsize SEA, or even restart Europe. Instead, they’re just scaling back when demand is high

[N751PR]

Was a pleasure to have been onboard the inaugural inbound!

[JNC03]

The question is how Airbus will counter it because they are good at pitching their products here in the Philippines. For the part of Boeing they can still offer something good for PAL but after all its up to the airline if they will take any offer from the two manufacturers